my first telecine stills

Post by **rusjpnl** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:22 pm

Dear members,

This is my first post. I would like to hear your opinion on my fist S8 film transfer results.
They can be found here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/rusjpnl/S8Telecine1

The telecine setup consists of a projector, a magnifier (130mm diam) and a 1CCD miniDV Sony camcorder with 10x optical zoom (bought in 1998).

Post by **Evan Kubota** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:40 pm

The picture quality looks pretty good (the frame line is off in some, as I'm sure you're aware of). Any clips in motion?

Post by **rusjpnl** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 12:54 am

Thank you for your comments.
I will upload some clips shortly.
Meanwhile I added some new stills to my gallery. Please have a look.
Do you think I can improve image sharpness and colors by using a 3CCD camcorder? Mine doesn't have even a manual white balance control.
Yeah, no color correction was applied to the stills.

Post by **Evan Kubota** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:23 am

It probably would, but whether your specific film will benefit is not certain. The stills look pretty good but it can always improve.

Post by **rusjpnl** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:54 am

No other opinions?

Post by **VideoFred** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:21 am

Very good first results!
Can you not show a pic from your setup?
And some more details please.
Do you use a mirror?
What kind of backlight etc...

Fred.

Post by **Rollef** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:23 am

Yes, these are good.
What light source\ what kind of diffuser do you use?

Post by **gianni1** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:13 pm

My questions exactly... first was what kind of lamp is in the projector, and please show us a snap shot, a few phone pix of your setup. Very nice images by the way... nice work...

I don't think changing camcorders at this point will improve it too much, maybe a bit.... it's already pretty good....

Gianni

Post by **Uppsala BildTeknik** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:01 pm

A bit of colorcorrection does wonders... Try playing with the colors in your editing program, or in photoshop with the still images.

They look OK for a DIY thingie. Way to go.

Try using a camera where you can lock the white balance. With auto-white the colors go all crazy with old films with twisted colors... Borrow a camera from a friend or something, so you can see the difference before you decide to buy a camera.

Post by **rusjpnl** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:10 am

Here it is ( http://picasaweb.google.com/rusjpnl/S8Telecine1 ).

Thanks everybody for your opinions!
The camcorder (not on the photo) is on the same line with the projector and the magnifying lens. There is no mirror (I flip the image in after effects).
The lamp is a halogen 12V, 20W - pretty much the same as suggested in http://homepage.mac.com/onsuper8/diytel ... ction.html
Also I am using an opal diffuser glass from Edmund.

What could be the ways for improvement?

Post by **rusjpnl** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:27 am

Thank you for the advice. Already searched for a good friend with a good camcorder here, but so far found nobody

When you say "look OK" do you see any not extremely expensive and time consuming ways for improvement? I mean within the suggested configuration: projector, lens, camcorder.

A bit of colorcorrection does wonders... Try playing with the colors in your editing program, or in photoshop with the still images.

They look OK for a DIY thingie. Way to go.

Try using a camera where you can lock the white balance. With auto-white the colors go all crazy with old films with twisted colors... Borrow a camera from a friend or something, so you can see the difference before you decide to buy a camera.

Post by **Uppsala BildTeknik** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 12:52 am

Hmmm, donÃ‚Â´t know exactly... A better camera and a locked down white balance would give a better image and colors, but it costs money.

But hey, I am spoiled with a Flashscan8 so donÃ‚Â´t take my criticism too harshly.

Post by **rusjpnl** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:11 am

But hey, I am spoiled with a Flashscan8 so donÃ‚Â´t take my criticism too harshly.

I like criticism!

Seriously, that is why I posted here.

Post by **christoph** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:57 am

if you take your clips into after effects anyway, a brief "levels" control will work wonders...

++ christoph ++

Post by **rusjpnl** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:13 am

I will try.

What about sharpness? Do stills look sharp enough?

The dynamic range of the camcorder's CCD is poor compared to the film.
Is there any soft to improve?

christoph wrote:if you take your clips into after effects anyway, a brief "levels" control will work wonders...

++ christoph ++