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as hard as this may be to believe for an american we actually don't do that in europe, honestly, which i believe was the point. ;-)MovieStuff wrote:WE don't make the decision as to whether Mattias or his distibution company gets sued. Ordinary people that otherwise would never think about suing anyone often think differently if they feel there is money to be wrung out
What about the point I made earlier where I quoted some Spanish law???natxo wrote:Be also careful with architectural landscapes if they are or recognized architects (for example, Ghery´s Guggenheim in Bilbao). They´re also careful with their rights. But, usually, if you ask for permissions (specially out of Madrid and Barcelona), people always help to make the shooting easy, almost always without asking for anything.
Okay.mattias wrote:as hard as this may be to believe for an american we actually don't do that in europe......MovieStuff wrote:WE don't make the decision as to whether Mattias or his distibution company gets sued. Ordinary people that otherwise would never think about suing anyone often think differently if they feel there is money to be wrung out
And also, there are just about no money at all "to earn" from a lawsuit in sweden. If someone would beat me up pretty badly they might get the horrible sum of a few hundred bucks as a fine (in dollars).mattias wrote:as hard as this may be to believe for an american we actually don't do that in europe, honestly, which i believe was the point. ;-)MovieStuff wrote:WE don't make the decision as to whether Mattias or his distibution company gets sued. Ordinary people that otherwise would never think about suing anyone often think differently if they feel there is money to be wrung out
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That's so cool that no one sues anyone in Europe over money.There is "no market" for lawsuits just for the sake of making money here
That's our problem, we have it backwards. We don't report crimes (especially in low income areas) and sue for everything.mattias wrote:we gladly report each other to the police though, and occasionally start wars, but there's no money to be made from lawsuits so suing each other is generally reserved for business to business claims.
Sounds like a job for what in the USA is called a "rent-a-cop" or private security guard whom you would hire for the times you are out shooting, stand watch over your activities and deal with the public as needed to deter predators and trouble-makers. Also, you might enlist the services for hire of a local official policeman known as a "detail" officer that is assigned overtime duty for a specific event or activity in public and who you pay the local municipality a fee or hourly rate for his services. It would also be easier to have such a guard or police officer helping you explain to the public and passers-by about the releases and obtain any information or signatures you may require. Dealing with local authorities would then not be an issue.mattias wrote:yeah, i'm not really worried about lawsuits, i'm mostly worried about security guards, local police and pissed off locals beating me up, stealing my gear and throwing me off whatever premises. also i'm a bit worried about what distributors may say when i don't have all the releases. being able to say "oh, but i shot in spain where you don't need one" would be nice.
/matt
The best approach to releases would be to have an attorney familiar with the requirements in that country consult you on the law and provide you with a draft of a proper release tailored to your activity, obtain any permits if necessary and deal with the local government as needed. If there is a lawyer in the EU familiar with all the policies regarding filming in public, you might consider keeping him/her on retainer for your production. Definitive answers will give you the peace of mind to have a successful project. Speculations and debate only perpetuate the thread. Best of luck on your project and have a wonderful time in Spain.morales72 wrote: Hi to all. AFAIK, you can photograph everything in public places, except for children and officers of the law, goverment buildings, airports, etc. Regarding common people, even if you are shooting a super 8 cart of your local park (as I did many times, even anamorphic) and they refuse, they cannot say a thing against you (well, at least legally)
If you ask people on the streets you'll find that the more "castizos" (really common) they are, the more they will help and colaborate. Watch out for local policemen that will ask for permit or a brive, but actually they are so well paid that they might put you in jail.
If you come to Madrid let me know and I will do my best to help you.
Just yell, "Hey! This has *got* to be against the rules!" ~:?)mattias wrote:anyone know what the rules are for taking pictures of people in public for "commercial" purposes in spain
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i'm mostly worried about security guards, local police and pissed off locals beating me up, stealing my gear
Bourne Ultimatum shot in Madrid, I believe in the Atocha Train Station - hundreds of locals ended up on screen, huge production, millions of dollars, no lawsuits, according to the "making of" on the DVD.mattias wrote:also i'm a bit worried about what distributors may say when i don't have all the releases. being able to say "oh, but i shot in spain where you don't need one" would be nice. :-)
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