Beaulieu 4008 sharper images tip..
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Beaulieu 4008 sharper images tip..
I read about it, but ignored it, now I must say .. DO IT if you haven't done it already.
REMOVE the internal filters. No questions asked, just do it, your images will appear much sharper, as the old filters can really screw up the focus.
That's my experience and my _reinforced_ tip.
Martin baumgarten's website has a "how to" on removing the filters. Leave a post on here if you can't find it and someone will steer you in the right direction.
REMOVE the internal filters. No questions asked, just do it, your images will appear much sharper, as the old filters can really screw up the focus.
That's my experience and my _reinforced_ tip.
Martin baumgarten's website has a "how to" on removing the filters. Leave a post on here if you can't find it and someone will steer you in the right direction.
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filter removal
Yes, I agree fully. I've serviced and repaired enough s8 cams to know this is a good idea. For starters these little filters are simply waffer-thin pieces of pinkish plastic (not glass) which are inherently full of tiny AIR BUBBLES mainly around the outer edges of the filter [s]. You can guess what these bubbles do to light as it's passing through. All things considered, maybe this is why s8 images experience dysfocus around the outer edges?REMOVE the internal filters. No questions asked, just do it, your images will appear much sharper, as the old filters can really screw up the focus
The 85 filter is a crude setup. I recently serviced a Chinon 872 Autozoom and the 85 filter was bent, therefore binding with the mechanical aperture causing it not to function, at all. No fun!!
MY TIP: disable the internal filter (filter key, slide button etc) and buy a quality glass 85 filter from Kokin, Hoya whatever.
BTW, for those of you who aren't aware, like I wasn't, the Eumig Nautica's PMA lens is also PLASTIC, not glass. Think about it.
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Removing the internal filters makes logical sense to me, especially since some of them have degraded significantly over time. I can never understand the claims made by Beaulieu experts that the internal filters are necessary for optimum image quality and that their removal would affect the focus.
By the way, the screw-on PMA attachment on my Eumig Nautica is made of glass and it produces beautiful quality images.....
By the way, the screw-on PMA attachment on my Eumig Nautica is made of glass and it produces beautiful quality images.....
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That's odd - Eumig makes both plastic and glass PMA lenses - wanna swap :?By the way, the screw-on PMA attachment on my Eumig Nautica is made of glass and it produces beautiful quality images
So does mine, even with a plastic lens. Look at my avatar, though it's a little greenand it produces beautiful quality images.....
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URL to How TO?
Umm, could I bother you to give us he URL to the 2008 How to?
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Patrick you could probably do it yourselfOnce I was on the phone with a Beaulieu service technician who said that he would have to charge a considerable amount of money to have one of these cameras taken apart in order to replace the ageing internal filters. I guess it's just a money making excercise.
BTW, how many filter [s] are there in a Beaulieu? I've never had the pleasure of pulling one to bits to find out.
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What about a checkered one for filming under mayonnaise?Patrick wrote: a clear filter for filming under tungsten lighting.
I've been forgoing the orange with the negs in daylight - Nizo S800, Bolex 160 - haven't done a res test, but it does look nice and clean. Telecine only, of course.
Same goes for reversal/home movies - if dad left the 85 off outside, the corrected [white balance] image is more pleasing IMHO, long's it's not *too* blue.
We should all rip out the 85 filters from every camera we own. It'd be like burning our bras! The more technically timid could simply disable their bras permanently.
Good tip.
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That's interesting, shooting outdoors with indoor negs without an 85 filter :? I might have to try that. So no 85b on the top lens either then? Got any example clipsI've been forgoing the orange with the negs in daylight - Nizo S800, Bolex 160 - haven't done a res test, but it does look nice and clean. Telecine only, of course.
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Re: Beaulieu 4008 sharper images tip..
Despite the optically neutral gelatine filters (like Wratten) experts would gladly see you have your lenses collimated again (by experts of course) at some Euro 200.jusetan wrote:I read about it, but ignored it, now I must say .. DO IT if you haven't done it already.
REMOVE the internal filters. No questions asked, just do it, your images will appear much sharper, as the old filters can really screw up the focus.
That's my experience and my _reinforced_ tip.
Martin baumgarten's website has a "how to" on removing the filters. Leave a post on here if you can't find it and someone will steer you in the right direction.
But as demonstrated, just shoot film and see the image produced.
BTW The filters are in one brass holder which brings in either the daylight or the UV filter. It is moved by the cartridge or the filter-key.
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Scroll down the page and you'll find the HOW TO, along with many other bits of advice.
Thanks to martin for hosting this plethera of information.
Scroll down the page and you'll find the HOW TO, along with many other bits of advice.
Thanks to martin for hosting this plethera of information.
justin lovell
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8/16/35mm - 2k.5k.HDR.film transfers
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I bought a Beaulieu 4008 ZMII on ebay recently, and was quite pleased to find that the daylight filter had already been removed. The Camera came with two lense-mounted wratten filters.
Here's the Ebay picture : http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 9737130742
There's a small wratten and a larger one. The smaller one doesn't seem to fit.
Here's the Ebay picture : http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie ... 9737130742
There's a small wratten and a larger one. The smaller one doesn't seem to fit.