How many cameras do you own?

[etimh]

But let's face it, Kodak WANTED to cancel Kodachrome in super 8 and probably found it a "nuisance" to keep around. The other stocks in super 8 are under ZERO obligation to be processed by Kodak so they stay.

But Kodachrome was their achilles heel as they were OBILGATED to process it in all countries but the USA and they finally had enough "gumption" to cancel it.

What exactly was the "obligation" to process K40? Was it historical, legal, moral? Why couldn't they have just said, "We'll keep producing it, but you're on your own getting it processed."

With this firm committment on the production side, Dwayne's (and others, I assume) would have stepped up as premiere processing services for the K40 stock.

If the price for this third-party processing then became too much for people (it doesn't seem to stop us from using the other stocks), then the demand would have fallen, and Kodak might have had legitimate cause to consider dropping the stock.

As it has gone down in reality, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Tim

[super8man]

I think I can read Roger's comments as either sarcastic or nomal. I prefer the sarcastic way...its more funny (since I get a kick out of how much the american way is put down - being originally from some place else it takes on a whole new meaning.) My only wish in life is that each of us could live for 1 year in another's country. Only then would you begin to understand the motivations and outlooks we each have. Until then, we are all just a bunch of philosophy majors trying to outtype each other.

Best wishes fellow earthlings.

[etimh]

and you honestly think these are the only options? open your eyes, or at least freshen up your rhetorics a little.

Thanks, Mattias. I had forgotten that foreigners always understand the complex problems Americans face more clearly than we Americans do. :roll:

Roger

As we "Americans" are the single biggest polluting entity on the planet, "foreigners" have no choice but to confront our "complex problems." America is basically shitting on the rest of the world (northern Europe included) with our overwhelming output of environmentally destructive emissions. Its not an "American" issue, Roger, its truly a global problem.

Oh god fucking damn, not another fucking "cause" thread.

Yeah, what about it? Stay out of it if you're not interested. :twisted:

Tim

[Seppo.T]

Oooh other obsolete stuff

Sanyo Betamax VCR (1984)
Ferguson 3V35 VHS VCR (1984)
Sony CV3600 open reel B&W VTR (circa 1973)
Decca 55 grammophone

Yeah, but those are not cameras... This looked so serious everyone posing with their guns and I tried to say something bit funny and mentioned the betamax only because the camera itself is useless without a media.
Me also could continue with open reel VTRs or spring driven grammophones or vintage cartridges and stylii and so on but (for me) this would be too OT, let's keep Pandora's box closed. The other stuff is interesting, I have to admit.

[super8man]

As we "Americans" are the single biggest polluting entity on the planet, "foreigners" have no choice but to confront our "complex problems." America is basically shitting on the rest of the world (northern Europe included) with our overwhelming output of environmentally destructive emissions. Its not an "American" issue, Roger, its truly a global problem.
Tim

Let's not got in over our heads...If we really start doing the math based on per capita usage of energy etc, you thoughts may change...I am not saying america is beautiful (ok, perhaps to some), but that those lobbing stones and bowling balls at our "energy picture" are not exactly without guilt or better than the USA...It all depends on what exact criteria you are discussing.

[Evan Kubota]

"and you honestly think these are the only options?"

No, I don't. Everyone can immediately switch to more efficient vehicles like motorcycles or smaller cars. Will it happen? No. That's why I didn't include it as an option.

As for pollution, China is far worse than the US. Of course, much of their industry is geared towards our demands, but if they lack the motivation to ensure stricter environmental regulations, it's their own fault.

[reflex]

No, I don't. Everyone can immediately switch to more efficient vehicles like motorcycles or smaller cars. Will it happen? No. That's why I didn't include it as an option.

There you go falling into the trap of our North American mindset again. We always default to "our personal vehicles should be smaller/hybrid/hydrogen/solar/snot powered," rather than realizing that the vehicles cause the bloody problems to begin with. They enable urban sprawl, cause us to waste huge amounts of money on loans/upkeep/insurance, and make us fat. We should start investing in good rail systems while we still have affordable fossil fuel to build 'em, unless you enjoy commuting on the back of a clapped-out donkey.

BTW, It's time to introduce three other concepts to this thread:

1. Santo is God
2. Wal-Mart is God
3. Video is a better God

There. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to dodge the 20 mike-mike that someone is about to fire in my direction.

[david]

my car has an 850cc engine, I have no air conditioning in my house and my living room is probably smaller than your fridge. But I smoke a lot of cigarettes, so I guess I can't talk about pollution.

[MovieStuff]

I think I can read Roger's comments as either sarcastic or nomal. I prefer the sarcastic way...its more funny

Yes, it was fairly dripping in sarcasm, actually.

Roger

[Evan Kubota]

My main vehicle is a 250cc motorcycle... 55-60 mpg. I *have* to have air conditioning in my house - it's Florida. Contrary to popular belief, not everything in America is supersized.

FWIW, I like urban sprawl ;) I think Florida is the urban sprawl capital of the US. My vehicle cost less than my Super 8 and 16mm cameras put together, I think. That either means I've spent too much on cameras or very little on a motorcycle.

"We should start investing in good rail systems while we still have affordable fossil fuel to build 'em, unless you enjoy commuting on the back of a clapped-out donkey. "

This simply isn't feasible outside of well-populated areas. I live in a town of about 120,000 people, and there isn't the population here to support the cost of a rail system. Certainly it wouldn't do anything for the rest of the people in the county who are 20-30 miles away.

[Evan Kubota]

I also think it's a mistake to so easily discard the (north) American national character (whatever that is) when considering transportation options. Americans are independent. For the most part, we prefer to have our own transportation. I rode a bus for almost two years, and it sucked. It's not hard to argue that the downsides to using public transportation in areas not ideally suited for it are significant, and probably reason enough to look into other alternatives that preserve individuality. I like to drive/ride for its own sake.

[T-Scan]

2 Canon 512XL 1 used, 1 NOS
2 Canon 814XLS 1 used, 1 NOS
1 Canon 1014E NOS
1 Nikon Superzoom
1 Nizo 561 (in the mail)
1 Beaulieu R16

8 MP Cameras!

[S8 Booster]

since this tread gone spinach anyway - or is it spaghetti?

my daughters Daihatsu Charade 1.0 Turbo Diesel burns 0.3l/10km avr and 0.2l/10km on cruise.

is this good for the global environment?

well,

1) she drives a lot more than she could afford with her previous 2.0l petrol powered vehichle.
2) still i think enviroment earn some on it at a total.


in a very few years well see pure hydrogen fuel cell cars taking over.
Honda has suppiled pure hydrogen fuel cell cars to some official authoruties in california for some years on a lease basis. just recently the worlds first privatly operated FCP was delivered in ca:

Honda Delivers FCX Fuel Cell Vehicle to World's First Individual Customer
http://www.hondanews.com/CatID2045?mid= ... 0&mime=asc

in the meantime we will have a middle play with hybrid petrol/electric engines + battery. drove one last time in Japan and it worked perfect and with a fuel consumption cruise at 0.3l/10km.

soon cars wont be a heavy polluting factor except in the 3rd world and so - hmm.. if each chines uy a car that would be 1.25bn cars?

industry and oil/coal fuelled power statons are the real oil and coal burning crooks you see. so lets build more nuke power plants until the fusion power works are up playing.

and no, "americans" can not or will not accept that they overpollute by a factor of big consumin 30% of the worlds resources while the poulation is 2.5%? toatly unwilling to adjust their figures acoording to at least Kyoto.

off course US industry and economy would go bankrupt immediately if they had to - and they can not afford that and neither can the rest of us (US GOING BANKRUPT = ECONOMICAL EARTHQUAKE - we wont notice here you say? now listen...) i think but pulling together isnt the worst thing to do. now usa pulls far less than the rest of the industrial world. that is a simple fact - unfortunately.

when i visted usa in 2001 i asked why theuscitizens did not at least use diesel engines in their big suvs, well, very simple - it smells.

naw that is a good reason not to buy diesels i admitted.

thing is: modern diesel engines are very powerful and use extremely less fuel that petrol engines. secondly there takes a lot less crude oil to make one liter diesel than it takes to make 1 liter of petrol.

well, uh i forgot diesel cars smells - stinks maybe.

a few twinola du-nots,

[tlatosmd]

It stikes me that if people spent less money buying and hording cameras they might have enough cash left to stop whinging about the price of Small Format.

*feels guilty of wasting money not on hoarding cameras but on film carts that are all stacked up on all layers and levels in his fridge* :oops:

[MovieStuff]

As we "Americans" are the single biggest polluting entity on the planet, "foreigners" have no choice but to confront our "complex problems."

There are many, many other countries that have zero pollution control standards or laws in place. If you have twenty American smoke stacks that produce only 20% emissions (due to strict enforcement of pollution laws) versus one foreign smoke stack that produces 100% emissions (due to a total lack of pollution laws), then America is still going to measure out as the highest polluter by virtue of sheer population. Which is worse? Hard to say but, to me anyway, there is a fundamental difference between a higher volume of pollution due to a larger population and a higher volume of pollution due to negligence.

Even in the pre-industrial "good old days", the streets were filled with horse shit and the gutters filled with people shit, so pollution is relative to what offends the senses the most, I suppose. But it is unrealistic to think one can have a successful, progressive economy and not have some level of pollution so I won't even debate the idea with anyone because it is naive and a complete waste of time.

More to the point, I know many people in U.S. industry that are vigilant about working to keep pollution reduced and there are, literally, thousands of laws on the books right now to control the level of pollutants in the air. The only thing that keeps many other countries from leading the volume of pollution is their small size or the lack of industrial success we have that they wished they had. In the meantime, they bitch, or come here to live in the very country they publically claim is the most polluted because they secretly know it isn't.

Roger