8mm black and white film project

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by Charlie Blackfield » Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:35 pm

Superbus_ wrote:Does youtube or vimeo gets the property rights of the footage when we uploawd there our final project?
Vimeo is okay in this respect. If you have a look at
http://www.vimeo.com/terms
and scroll down to the paragraph 'Video upload', you'll see that it's pretty reasonable - basically, in legal speak, we would give vimeo a non-exclusive licence, but the footage would still be ours.

I'm not sure about youtube. Does anyone know?

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by mr_x » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:08 pm

Superbus_ wrote:Does youtube or vimeo gets the property rights of the footage when we uploawd there our final project?
can't speak for Vimeo but this paragraph is displayed on the youtube upload page:-

"By clicking 'Upload Video', you are representing that this video does not violate YouTube's Terms of Use and that you own all copyrights in this video or have authorisation to upload it."

http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_upload

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by Charlie Blackfield » Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:09 pm

mr_x wrote:
Superbus_ wrote:Does youtube or vimeo gets the property rights of the footage when we uploawd there our final project?
can't speak for Vimeo but this paragraph is displayed on the youtube upload page:-

"By clicking 'Upload Video', you are representing that this video does not violate YouTube's Terms of Use and that you own all copyrights in this video or have authorisation to upload it."

http://www.youtube.com/my_videos_upload
That you have to own all the copyrights in the video BEFORE you upload it is self-explanatory. The big question is: what happens afterwards? I have a suspicion that you might transfer some of your copyrights to youtube, although as I don't use youtube myself, I'm not sure. In case of vimeo, you clearly don't do more than giving them a non-exclusive licence.

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by mr_x » Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:50 pm

more from youtube:-

"Copyright is automatic -- if you created it yourself, you automatically have copyright protection on it."

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/y ... 20df&hl=en

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by 71er » Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:59 pm

One of the two films that I made for this project is on Vimeo now:
http://www.vimeo.com/7265733
Password: filmshooting
The quality is quite bad as it was not transferred by telecine but if your responses are positive I will send the film to a specialised lab.
The second film looks even worse on Vimeo as it is mostly overexposed anyway. If the one film goes to a lab, the other one will go with it and then you can watch it.
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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by mr_x » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:02 pm

you beat me to it hands down! ;)

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by Charlie Blackfield » Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:05 pm

Well done on your film, Alex! It looks definitely old - and quite spooky. Certainly worth a decent transfer.

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by Charlie Blackfield » Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:50 pm

I've now uploaded my own footage which you can watch here:
http://www.vimeo.com/7311256

The first part of the film was recorded on the Isle of Skye and is the one that was shot for the project. No nice old farmhouse or such like, I'm afraid, instead it's mostly timeless nature. The film's second part starts with an ultramodern scene of wind turbine blades being lifted onto trucks (obviously unsuitable for this project, but I just couldn't resist to try out my wide-angle lens when I saw this), then carries on with Inverness and the surrounding area.

When I was on Skye, I also took a stills camera with me. Some of the stills at http://www.charlieblackfield.com/photos.htm#skyebw suggest that I should have used my 8mm camera then for 'old footage', but I only carried one camera at any one time. I take it 35mm stills are not allowed?!

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by 71er » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:27 pm

Charlie,
Your film reminds me very much of our holiday this summer in SW Scotland: clouds hanging very low, sheep looking stupidly at me ... So it gave me a holiday feeling again.
I also had a look at your pictures and I really like the quality of them: the contrast and the grain - great!
It is a pitty that there doesn't seem to be a possibility to show the same qualities of a film on the internet.
Alex

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by Charlie Blackfield » Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:58 pm

71er wrote:I also had a look at your pictures and I really like the quality of them: the contrast and the grain - great!
It is a pitty that there doesn't seem to be a possibility to show the same qualities of a film on the internet.
The Ilford Delta 100 Pro film stock I used for the stills turned out to be much grainier than I expected. I also love the look, it suits the Isle of Skye pictures very well. As for the 8mm footage, well, the internet is only partially to blame. First of all, there's obviously bound to be a huge difference between a 35mm negative and the less than 5mm wide reversal picture you get with Regular 8 film. The other issue is that Wittner B&W54 is a fairly 'smooth' (i.e. not very grainy/contrasty) film stock which probably wasn't such a good choice. Having said this, it can also be processed as negative, maybe I should give this a try at some point.

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by Superbus_ » Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:01 pm

Charlie and Alex, great films! Both of you have done nice work. It's like a time machine and I think we can start to think about the music of the final film. My idea to choose different music for the different parts of the final film and all of the contributors can have their own choice. On the other hand we need to find the connection between the different parts visually and in the music as well. I don't know... but I'm positive we can figure out.

My part is half done which mean last week i filmed but I'm not sure about the results (it was foggy) and this week the wheather was even more awful, so i was not able to continue filming.
By the way I use a japanese Kopil 2x8mm electronic driven and focusing camera ! :)
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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by Charlie Blackfield » Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:21 pm

Talking of music, I used to play classical guitar (and later also tried to venture into flamenco and acoustic jazz guitar) as a teenager and in my early twenties, then abandoned it more or less for about 15 years. A couple of months ago, I managed to fix my flamenco guitar and started playing again. Being a silent movie fan, I thought it would be nice to try out my skills at creating film scores for silent films. As you can tell from the Super 8 short film that I just uploaded to http://www.vimeo.com/7559016 my skills are still very basic, but I somehow love the idea to do an acoustic soundtrack to go with an 8mm old film project.

Another idea I had was that, rather than just playing our various films one after another, it might be worth looking into mixing them together to try create a story. I once did this with 8mm footage shot around Bristol and other footage shot eight months later in Germany, and while the 'story' is a bit quirky, I think it actually worked. It's not anywhere on the internet to watch, as it was only done as a home telecine and strictly amateur project.

What do you reckon? Is this something worth exploring?

Charlie

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by 71er » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:35 pm

Here is the film again after "professional" transfer:
www.vimeo.com/7650144
I also uploaded the film "Honey Shortage" that I actually also did for this project:
www.vimeo.com/7650329
In both cases the pass word is "filmshooting".
Despite the fact that my Eumig C3 was overexposing I have to say that the result on the computer screen looks crap anyway compared to the original.
About sound: I am really not bothered; I like the films silent and enjoy them as they are. If you think you could find some appropriate sound you can have a copy on DVD and add it.
Alex

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by Charlie Blackfield » Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:42 pm

71er wrote: I also uploaded the film "Honey Shortage" that I actually also did for this project:
http://www.vimeo.com/7650329
I love this one - beautiful classic silent movie style, nice acting from the kids.

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Re: 8mm black and white film project

Post by Superbus_ » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:28 pm

Merry Christmas to all of you!
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