Regular 8mm Black & White Print

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Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by studiocarter2 » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:29 pm

https://youtu.be/FhRdyOWrcko

I finally did it. Broke the ice. Now to perfect it.


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by Mmechanic » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:46 am

Bravo!

Now to move from black and grey to black and white I’d suggest you print on positive stock.
It’s available in Double-8 at Kahl film, Germany in 400-ft. lengths. I am almost as far as you
with an 8mm project, still need some things around the camera.


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by studiocarter2 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:35 am

Did it. UN54 was printed with lower lamp settings onto DP3. I found the proper setting to be 3 on the needle dial. 2 made clear negative gray, not black, like 3 did. 5 had been used in the video. That made it so contrasty. 125 is the proper Asa in daylight and 3 is the lamp setting to print it with.


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by Mmechanic » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:02 am

I fear you haven’t followed me. It’s about printing on a stock that has a colourless base.


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by studiocarter2 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:52 pm

Got it.
Kahl has a colorless base? Like Fomapan?
ORWO DP3 is less gray than the UN54.
Yea, I want to try that, too. Right now I have a pile of film to use up. And I'm still trying to learn how to use the printer. I will have to buy in bulk some day, soon if I work longer hours :-?


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by studiocarter2 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:20 pm

I'm going Loopy trying to make this thing work.

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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by mr8mm » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:08 pm

I have found KAHL difficult to work with. I ordered $2500 worth film three months ago and still don't have it. He is good at coming up with excuses why the film has not been shipped. He actually gave a phoney tracking number one time. Also you better know German. He does not like small orders and does not take paypal or credit cards. So, you have to wire transfer. No matter how good his film may be I recommend that you stick the gray ORWO.


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by studiocarter2 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:07 pm

Thanks. I posted a different video showing the Cine Printer running 25feet without a hitch. studiocarter1 on YouTube


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by Mmechanic » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:32 am

I have a perforator. It needs an overhaul plus punches for Double 8. If I knew about footage demand, I should consider ordering a set of punches and prepare myself for making available various stocks in Double 8. It’s been a project since a while, I really only need to be able to reckon with some market space. Orwo stocks I can buy unperforated, so that would be an early offer.


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by studiocarter2 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:40 am

I use regular 8mm. Prints are made in regular 8mm. My goal is to print 100 feet at a time.


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by Mmechanic » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:36 pm

I take it as Double Eight. Regular 8 applies to projection.
There was also Straight Eight, film 8 mm wide in camera.


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by studiocarter2 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:01 am

Film has been printed without slitting it first, so far. I use the 16mm gate. Both halfs of the Double 8 are printed at the same time. I may try slitting it first and printing it that way, too.


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by Mmechanic » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:41 am

I know. I have been in the film business since more than 40 years as cameraman, projectionist, laboratory technician, repairman.


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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by studiocarter2 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:19 pm

Your machine is not the only one that needs work. ORWO cutters are worn. My DP 3 film has rough edges running a couple inches alternating with smooth parts. UN 54 is all smooth. DP 3 is bumpy. It jams in the printer and cannot be pulled through. Sprocket holes get ripped.
I have different diamond sanding blocks that got it to run through the printer without stopping.
Nuts to that.
Sharpen the cutters!
I even have photographed the bumps.
The film does go through my H8 Rex, though. So, it is only a problem when I try to print.
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Re: Regular 8mm Black & White Print

Post by studiocarter2 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:42 pm

It is not just the bumps that prevent dp3 from traveling through the Uhler gate. The overall width is too great. I sanded both sides of a short strip made into a tight roll until they were light gray. After wiping it free of dust it became stuck in the gate when I tried to pull it through without sprockets engaged and without the pressure plate down. UN54 sailed easily and smoothly through under the same conditions without any sanding.
I'll try sanding the DP3 more later.


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