Sample images from the new Filmfabriek HDS scanner

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Sample images from the new Filmfabriek HDS scanner

Post by Andreas Wideroe » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:24 pm

Hi guys,
I thought I'd share 3 sample images from some tests I've done today with the new Müller HDS scanner. Super8 frames with some quick grading done in DaVinci. Looks quite alright, doesn't it?
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Post by MovieStuff » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:57 pm

Nice! Love the colors.

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Re: Sample images from the new Müller HDS scanner

Post by RyanH » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:48 pm

Very nice. Thanks for sharing. I'd love to see some footage in motion.

The sample video they posted on youtube a few months back all looked really solid. I just wish they would provide some more 'raw' samples for download. Streaming services always introduce so much junk. Even a few seconds of raw frames would be worth seeing at proper full depth and bitrate.

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Post by RCBasher » Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:41 am

Nice samples Andreas. Which camera option did you go for, the IMX174 sensor?

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Post by avortex » Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:55 pm

They look great! Are you going to offer Müller scans soon?
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Post by Andreas Wideroe » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:59 pm

RCBasher wrote:Nice samples Andreas. Which camera option did you go for, the IMX174 sensor?

Frank
Hi Frank!
Yes, this is the IMX174, but I also got the ICX834 which I haven't tested yet.

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Post by Andreas Wideroe » Sun Aug 14, 2016 12:59 pm

avortex wrote:They look great! Are you going to offer Müller scans soon?
Yes, I will do the first scan job this coming week. I will be offering scans up to 4K.
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Post by RCBasher » Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:57 pm

Andreas Wideroe wrote: Hi Frank!
Yes, this is the IMX174, but I also got the ICX834 which I haven't tested yet.

Andreas
Hi Andreas,

I expect you know, but you need to select Video Mode 7 (in the GenICam tab) to get the camera to use 12bits of A/D. Strange they did this 10bit/12bit thing just on the IMX range in the GS3 cameras.

Not had my hands on the ICX834, will be interested in your thoughts versus the IMX174 regarding noise and dynamic range in real tests. On paper the IMX1774 should blow away the ICX834, although it is odd they equipped the latter with a 14bit A/D. The number of A/D bits is not directly related to dynamic range, but perhaps the higher CCD sensor noise requires finer steps in the A/D to minimise the effects.

S/N ratio
IMX174 45.6dB
ICX834 37.97dB

Dynamic Range
IMX174 73dB
ICX834 54.32dB

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Re: Sample images from the new Müller HDS scanner

Post by RyanH » Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:04 pm

Andreas, I know it might be a huge request, but i'd be fascinated to see a examples of the same films digitized in different scanners, and I'm sure others would be too. Since few people have simultaneous access to multiple makes and models of equipment it is very hard to find good apples-to-apples comparisons of what is out there. Usually you have to try to make meaningful judgments based on totally different example footage. I don't think I've ever seen anything along the lines of 'here is the same 30 seconds of footage done on four different scanners'.

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Post by Andreas Wideroe » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:56 pm

RyanH wrote:Andreas, I know it might be a huge request, but i'd be fascinated to see a examples of the same films digitized in different scanners, and I'm sure others would be too. Since few people have simultaneous access to multiple makes and models of equipment it is very hard to find good apples-to-apples comparisons of what is out there. Usually you have to try to make meaningful judgments based on totally different example footage. I don't think I've ever seen anything along the lines of 'here is the same 30 seconds of footage done on four different scanners'.
Hi Ryan!

Yes I plan to do some tests with different cameras and scanners/telecines. I will post it here, but please don't hold your breath as I don't know when. ;)

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Re: Sample images from the new Filmfabriek HDS scanner

Post by RyanH » Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:59 pm

That's great to hear, and will be a singular resource for the community once it's out there

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Post by Tscan » Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:28 pm

I like that it has a PTR and wetgate built in. If anyone knows of a PTR setup available somewhere in this world for less than $200, please let me know.

The camera options you guys mention are different than what I see listed? Looks like they offer 2 different Point Grey Grasshoppers, a 2K and 2.7K which are not cheap.
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Re: Sample images from the new Filmfabriek HDS scanner

Post by RyanH » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:27 pm

Tscan, the Muller scanners work with any of the Point Grey cameras (and from what I understand from their site, should work with almost any USB3vision camera). The two Muller lists on their site are recommendations, but not requirements. Andreas and RCBasher are just referring to the cameras by the imaging chip they use instead of the manufacturer model number.

So when Andreas says he has a IMX174 camera, I assume that it's the Point Grey GS3-U3-23S6, although it could very well be a IMX174 based camera from a different manufacture.

And it looks like Muller sells their PTR rollers separately. You could try bashing something together?

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Re: Sample images from the new Filmfabriek HDS scanner

Post by prtprt » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:08 am

Andreas, it would be interesting to hear about your experiences with the Müller HDS scanner.

Is it working well?

Do you perhaps have some scanned film examples to show?

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Re: Sample images from the new Filmfabriek HDS scanner

Post by S8 Booster » Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:25 pm

Looking great. I may have overlooked something here but which film stock is it?



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