Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

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Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by silverhalide » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:26 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssaFEWVQ9EI (corrected url)

Shot with a NOS Bolex D8L I bought on ebay awhile back and my father's D8LA.

Interestingly, the D8LA has a bright line across the frame near the top. It's most easily seen when there is sky in the top of the frame. This same line appears in film dating back to 1963. Does anyone have any theories on that? My theory is that the edge of the aperture plate is shiny and the line is light reflected off that. But I'm just guessing.

ps It's still uploading as of 4:27 pm usa central time.
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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by silverhalide » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:47 pm

And here's a print of that negative. It looks like there's some work to be done before printing is ready for prime time. I do like the look of some shots. It's kind of reversal-ish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsp_G9D082I

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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by silverhalide » Sat Mar 12, 2016 5:28 am

Here it is on Vimeo:

https://vimeo.com/158709257

Color and brightness may be slightly different. Frame rate has been adjusted.

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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by slashmaster » Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:14 am

Interesting!. So it's not a through the lens reflex? Is any of the flat black paint in the aperture missing or worn away?

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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by silverhalide » Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:22 am

slashmaster wrote:Interesting!. So it's not a through the lens reflex? Is any of the flat black paint in the aperture missing or worn away?
No reflex. Here's the camera used in the second half:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tx8e-UcJfc

The first half was shot with my dad's camera, which has a *lot* of miles on it. But the line goes back a long ways. Here it is in May, 1963:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIRyGjbkNXY

He was quite a perfectionist, so I'm surprised he never noticed it. It's not really possible to see the edge of the hole in the aperture plate without disassembling the camera, I think. I can't really see it to make a determination.

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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by slashmaster » Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:59 am

silverhalide wrote:
slashmaster wrote:Interesting!. So it's not a through the lens reflex? Is any of the flat black paint in the aperture missing or worn away?
No reflex. Here's the camera used in the second half:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tx8e-UcJfc

The first half was shot with my dad's camera, which has a *lot* of miles on it. But the line goes back a long ways. Here it is in May, 1963:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIRyGjbkNXY

He was quite a perfectionist, so I'm surprised he never noticed it. It's not really possible to see the edge of the hole in the aperture plate without disassembling the camera, I think. I can't really see it to make a determination.
Oh! Hoover dam!. What a great film! So on the d8l you can see the aperture soon as you rotate the lens out of the way but with the d8lA it's got an iris in the way? Hmmmmm, does the d8lA have the lenses the same distance from the film plane?

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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by silverhalide » Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:05 am

slashmaster wrote:
Oh! Hoover dam!. What a great film! So on the d8l you can see the aperture soon as you rotate the lens out of the way but with the d8lA it's got an iris in the way? Hmmmmm, does the d8lA have the lenses the same distance from the film plane?
Oh, I didn't think about looking from the lens side! Duh. I'll have to check that out tomorrow. The D8L and D8LA are the same but for: 1) different meter - d8la has a 5.5mm flip down lens in the finder, 2) d8la has rewind crank but d8l does not. Distance from lenses to film is the same.

I'm sure my dad would apreciate your kind words. That's Glen Canyon Dam, though.

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Post by slashmaster » Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:01 am

silverhalide wrote:
slashmaster wrote:
Oh! Hoover dam!. What a great film! So on the d8l you can see the aperture soon as you rotate the lens out of the way but with the d8lA it's got an iris in the way? Hmmmmm, does the d8lA have the lenses the same distance from the film plane?
Oh, I didn't think about looking from the lens side! Duh. I'll have to check that out tomorrow. The D8L and D8LA are the same but for: 1) different meter - d8la has a 5.5mm flip down lens in the finder, 2) d8la has rewind crank but d8l does not. Distance from lenses to film is the same.

I'm sure my dad would apreciate your kind words. That's Glen Canyon Dam, though.
Oh alright... I wonder if the problem would go away if you open the auto aperture fully, then use the manual lens aperture? Would be great if you can get a pic of what it looks like. Glen Canyon sure looks like Hoover! I was looking at the bridge in front of the dam and thought it must be Hoover.

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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by MIKI-814 » Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:33 am

These results are very promising! :ymapplause:

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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by 7OSE9 » Sun Mar 13, 2016 1:26 pm

Results over expectations, dear Denis. Very good color density...
I can't answer the question that you put in the first post, I've never used that kind of Bolex, but I imagine the results with my H8 Rex4 and Pan Cinor lens.

One thing I don't understand, forgive me, I will always clash with English language: you have scanned also the "print"? So there is the possibility of having the projectable positive from negative, somewhere?

Thank you! :)

EDIT: Oops, perhaps in another post of Vision you said that the projectable print of negative was done on 16mm positive film (not be cut in classic Reg 8 mode).

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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by silverhalide » Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:08 pm

7OSE9 wrote: EDIT: Oops, perhaps in another post of Vision you said that the projectable print of negative was done on 16mm positive film (not be cut in classic Reg 8 mode).
Yes, that's correct. This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsp_G9D082I is a print of the negative on 3383. The second half has some noticeable registration problems for some reason. That is odd because the second half is the more stable part of the negative. I'm anxious to project the print to see how the color looks.

I do have unperforated 16mm 3383 print film, so I can have 8mm print film made. But before I spend the money perforating the print film, I want to make sure I can make good prints.

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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by silverhalide » Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:21 pm

Progress continues at warp speed...
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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by bolextech » Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:48 pm

Results are very promising. Very nice packaging also.
A camera with a sprocket driven mechanism, like a Bolex H8RX, should give better registration.

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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by Will2 » Tue Mar 15, 2016 4:18 pm

Ok, are you ready to ship? I'd love to have some of this for summer. Just need a price and PayPal address when you're ready.

I'd also like to see about a 16mm blow-up print for fun. I'm sure Tommy at VideoFilmSolutions.com in Maryland could whip a test one up quickly. He could also do an optical soundtrack on the 16mm print...that's getting very interesting. I'll have to remember to record sound with my Zoom when I shoot.

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Re: Regular 8 Vision 3 50D - First Scan is Back

Post by silverhalide » Tue Mar 15, 2016 5:59 pm

I'll have TXR in my hands early next week and 50D about a week later.

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