Push processed Tri-x at night and Canon 310xl

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Push processed Tri-x at night and Canon 310xl

Post by Chris-B » Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:53 pm

I'm (hopefully) going to pickup a Canon 310xl at some point soon to try some night filming. I'll try a test roll of tri-x as soon as I got one and see how it turns out and hopefully shoot at night when it snows later in the winter.

I also thought about maybe asking nano lab to push process it but have never seen pushed tri-x before. I guess it could be pushed by 2stops max before it got far too grainy. Anyone have any examples of pushed tri-x.

Also there are some drawbacks to using the 310xl. I think focusing could be a problem, as it has no range finder, and it's auto exposure only but I would just tape off the meter as would shoot wide open anyway at night.

When I looked into an XL camera and through old posts I noticed a lot of talk about aperture and shutter degree, but a problem is also how much light is lost but to the viewfinder and metering (if ttl which the 310xl is not).

As I mentioned in this thread.... http://filmshooting.com/scripts/forum/v ... 605613ddae

...I recently noticed that my Nizo 561 macro loses just over 2 stops due to the viewfinder, etc... and it is the same at any focal length 7 to 56. Which made me realise you need to factor in shutter angle, aperture and light loss (which occurs for various reasons) when considering a camera for low light situations.

I though I would try the Canon as it's cheap, has an XL shutter (220), F1.0 lens and no ttl so as a much light as possible gets to the film.

Any thoughts or examples of tri-x at night or tri-x pushed would be greatly appreciated.
Chris.

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Post by RichardB » Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:44 pm

I'd also be interested in the results of this, right now I'm trying out some pushed 64T (+1 1/3 stops) for filming at night.

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Post by mondo77 » Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:29 pm

Chris,

I used a 310xl in the 80's all the time including at night in Winter. It has fast lens, excellent auto exposure and, although I was always concerned about the focusing everything used to come out sharp.

First cam I bought when I came back to S8 this year was a 310 but I've not used it much. I never tried pushing Tri x but I'd like to see it. I reckon 1 stop. 2 stops max.

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Post by themagickite » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:37 am

i'm waiting for my 310XL to arrive, seems to be the perfect cam for shooting gigs. i was wondering about pushing tri-x too but couldn't think how to control the iris, the tape idea is awesome! i guess you could use an external light meter and a selection of ND filters for some hardcore exposure control. at that aperture you'd probably get very cinematic shallow depth of field effects too, though that might be more of a curse than a blessing with the lack of any range finder (bring out the tape measure).

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Post by mr8mm » Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:24 am

I have a AF310XL and have shot Tri-X pushed one stop often . The results are very good.

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Post by mr8mm » Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:27 am

P.S.

I have used KMA40 and had Dwayne's push it two stops. The results are amazing. Good images in almost no light. One was shot in a night club.

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Post by mondo77 » Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:00 pm

Chris,

Are you just experimenting by pushing the Tri X or are you worried about lack of light?

I shot loads of K40 on my 310XL at night ie midnight in dead of UK winter expecting it to be underexposed. But I'd had the process paid stock lying round for ages and was bored. So I had a carefree attitude and went out and shot it all expecting the worst. I was shocked when it all came out perfectly exposed by just lamplight amd the occasional passing car headlights. So Tri x unpushed could be enough. Pushed one stop should be ok. I agree with mr8mm.

mr8mm,

How good is the autofocus on the AF310XL?

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Post by greg_8mm » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:53 pm

I've got a 310xl, and now that I read all this it makes me wanna try the Tri-X.. I've never used it before, neither have I used the 310XL before (since it doesnt meter 64t properly from what I've heard..) I'm thinking of getting a roll or 2 Tri-X film and try it.. Would it work iindoors with the 310xl?

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Post by mondo77 » Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:25 pm

Greg,

I've just put a roll of Tri x in the 310xl and, in a 12 x 12 foot room with one naked 100w bulb the red UNDERexposure meter was no-where to be seen.

I haven't a clue about overexposure if that's what you're thinking. I've only used it outdoors at night with the 310. Used Tri x outdoors in good light with Canon 814 AZ, though and exposure was fine. So, I'd guess 310 would be. Auto everything gives you no clues. Run a test.

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Post by Will2 » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:08 pm

Someone selling one on eBay wanted to know if you must have a cartridge in for it to run. Do any Canon 310xl owners know if the camera will run without film when the trigger is pushed?

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Post by eggart » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:40 pm

It should. Here's a funny thing: mine won't run on rechargeables, only regular alkaline disposables.

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Post by Chris-B » Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:13 am

Yes, the reason I talked about pushing tri-x was that I thought it would need it. I have 1/2 a cart of tri-x left over from a film I shot last month I'm going to try that under normal UK street lights first.

I have a 310xl on it's way to me now. So will shoot something this weekend.
Happy shooting!
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Post by Chris-B » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:59 am

The 310XL arrived this morning!
It's a little grubby and has a dent on the rim which will need to straightened out before I can use filters with it. Didn't have time to put batteries in to see if it works yet, I'll try it out tonight (and give it a clean too!).

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Post by mondo77 » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:11 pm

Chris,

I've got the C8 wide angle lens on mine which I bought earlier in year but not shot anything with it on yet. I'm of on holiday in a few weeks and havn't decided what to take yet. 310xl currently in second place behind nizo 156xl.

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