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Agfa Moviechrome (latest type) processes well!

Post by Mogzy » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:55 pm

Just an update, a whileback I got some Agfa Moviechrome 40 (of the last type ever made, white package with blue and orange stripe, dated 1992) and wasn't sure how it would turn out.

Well all I can say is it turned out very well, no over or under exposure and interesting colours. The best way to describe them would be "pastel" colours. Softer than K40 and a little more grain, but fantastically moody.

Processing was by Super 8 Reversal Lab in the Netherlands. I have a couple more rolls of this stuff, but would HIGHLY recommend it be tried if any turns up on ebay.

Mine were dated 1992 and had been stored at room temperature, but I believe the last of these were dated 1994?

So there you have it- before they go off, snap 'em up- they're still usable!

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Post by richard p. t. » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:17 am

Great!
Tell me, are they process e-6?
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Post by Mogzy » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:58 am

I'm sure I read somewhere that they are, come to think of it. I shall do some digging and find out. The emulsion changed several times in the 80s and 90s but I'm sure I read somewhere that the last ones were indeed E6. Watch this space!

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Post by Mogzy » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:59 am

I'm sure I read somewhere that they are, come to think of it. I shall do some digging and find out. The emulsion changed several times in the 80s and 90s but I'm sure I read somewhere that the last ones were indeed E6. Watch this space!

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Post by tlatosmd » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:05 am

Just what I've always said, Moviechromes are still quite usable even if they've outdated in the late 80s. And yes, they're E6. Had about 10 up to now processed by Frank as well.
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Post by tlatosmd » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:59 am

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Post by The Swede » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:51 pm

How much did you pay for the processing?

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Post by Angus » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:52 pm

I thought it was E6, with an additional step of removing an antihalation layer.

But basically E6, yes. As were other manufacturers films available in the 70's and early 80's.
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Post by tlatosmd » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:58 pm

The Swede wrote:How much did you pay for the processing?
For processing plus taxes and EU shipping (note that on his site, he only quotes processing prices without taxes and shipping), Frank takes about 20 Euros per cart for pretty much any discontinued S8 color reversal film, except Kodachrome and older M4-process Ektachrome.
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Post by The Swede » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:16 pm

Thank you.

I´m curious about the older super8 films.
Does this mean that any Superchrome or Moviechrome can be procssed today and also Ektacrome with the exception of Ektachrome with M4-process?

How do I know wich Ektachrome was M4?

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Post by Angus » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:34 pm

The later Ektachromes have "process EM26" on the cart label.

These can be processed as E6, I know because I've done it on several occasions.

Some of the other films by the likes of 3M and Agfa may be E6, or may not...we do know the later Agfa Moviechrome is E6, and that film was sold under other names (Boots Moviechrome in the UK, a store brand until 1989)...maybe the later Revue films are E6 as well as they were probably made by Agfa.

This is why I absolutely *despair* at the super 8 newbies who are saying 64T is so good because "at last" we have an E6 super 8 film. there is NOTHING NEW in an E6 film...shit, Kodak even marketed an E6 Ektachrome super 8 film in the 70's.
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Post by Mogzy » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:58 pm

The Swede wrote:Thank you.

I´m curious about the older super8 films.
Does this mean that any Superchrome or Moviechrome can be procssed today and also Ektacrome with the exception of Ektachrome with M4-process?

How do I know wich Ektachrome was M4?

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Yes, Frank Bruinsma of http://www.super8.nl can indeed process just about any old Super 8 film under the sun (except the Kodachromes and that one Ektachrome). Anything else, colour or black and white he can do.

Some of these rare films pop up on ebay from time to time so just look out for them, try the following searches:

Super 8 film
Super 8 cartridge
Super 8 cartidges
Moviechrome
Ektachrome
or any other name e.g. Peruchrome, Revue, Quarzchrome, Svema etc

Be sure to look in the international sellers stuff as most of them seem to be in Germany. There's a good translation thing to be had at

http://www.freetranslation.com

Some of these older films give really interesting colours, so it's well worth experimenting.

Good Luck!

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Post by tlatosmd » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:18 pm

The Swede wrote:How do I know wich Ektachrome was M4?
Up to 1984, Ektachrome160 was M4, but then they changed the very same film to EM-26. Frank can process EM-26, but not M4.

Also, have a look here: http://www.super8.nl/english/e_frame_research_film.htm
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Post by The Swede » Wed Jan 11, 2006 2:49 pm

Thank you very much.

I will try to get some on Ebay

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Post by timdrage » Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:51 pm

I have a 1989-expired cart of Moviechrome 40 in the fridge, along with a roll of cinecolor 125 R-8 (oct 05), which i'd be happy to trade either/both of for pretty much any kind of black + white 16mm or super-8 (or Std-8 even) stock if anyone's interested? Let me know...

(- I've recently joined Nowhere Lab and am planning to experiment with hand processing, optical printing, pinhole cameras etc, on an absolute bare minimum budget! so black + white stocks would be of more use to me at the moment, shame to have the colour stuff sitting in the fridge unused...
I'm in the UK by the way..)

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