Andec film ..how devolp the trix 200 super 8 film?

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Andec film ..how devolp the trix 200 super 8 film?

Post by danzyc » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:05 pm

how develop the andec film the trix 200??

first developer?

bleach? clear?

second developer?

i have the thank lomo and i d like try to develop this film ...

thanks

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Re: Andec film ..how devolp the trix 200 super 8 film?

Post by aj » Mon Oct 31, 2005 10:13 pm

danzyc wrote:how develop the andec film the trix 200??

first developer?

bleach? clear?

second developer?

i have the thank lomo and i d like try to develop this film ...

thanks
Ask Andec usually they do the processing.
It is their business.
Kind regards,

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Post by tlatosmd » Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:12 am

Tri-X processing? Angus and/or Monobath should know...
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Post by monobath » Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:04 am

tlatosmd wrote:Tri-X processing? Angus and/or Monobath should know...
And ++christoph, and ccortez, and chachi, ... etc. There are a number of people on this forum who process their own film.

The best source of information is available on Kodak's web site. Go to Kodak H-24 Processing Modules and download module 15. The current module 15 describes the D-94A / R-10 / D-95 process. I am still using the older D-94 / R-9 process. You have to expose Plus-X at 50 ASA to use the older process, and at 100 ASA for the newer D-94A / R-10 process.

Here are the basics for b&w film developing from that Module 15, along with the older D-94 and R-9 formulas.
Developing Kodak B&W Reversal Film

The process given by Kodak is for processing movie film at 20C (68F):

First Developer, 2 min at 20C (68F)
Wash, 30 seconds (plain water, do NOT use a stop bath)
Bleach, 50 seconds
Wash, 30 seconds
Clearing Bath, 30 seconds
Wash, 30 seconds
Reexposure, 800 foot-candle seconds
Second Developer, 50 seconds
Wash, 30 seconds
Fixer, 50 seconds
Wash, 2 minutes

Formulas:

Kodak D-94

Water, 50 degrees C (125 F) 750 ml
Kodak Elon (Metol) 0.6 g
Sodium Sulfite (anhydrous) 50.0 g
Hydroquinone 20.0 g
Potassium Bromide (anhydrous) 8.0 g
(or 7.0 g Sodium Bromide)
Sodium Thiocyanate (liquid) 9.1 ml
Sodium Hydroxide 20.0 g
Water to make 1.0 L

Kodak Bleach R-9

Water 1.0 L
Potassium Dichromate (anhydrous) 9.5 g
Sulfuric Acid (Concentrated)* 12.0 ml
* CAUTION: Always add the sulfuric acid to the solution slowly, stirring
constantly, and never add the solution to the acid; otherwise, the solution
may boil and splatter the acid, causing serious burns.

(Note: You can substitute 35.0 ml regular automotive battery acid for the 12.0 ml concentrated Sulfuric Acid. Or you can substitute 66g Sodium Bisulfate for the Sulfuric Acid.)

Kodak Clearing Bath CB-2

Water 750 ml
Sodium Sulfite (anhydrous) 210.0 g
Water to make 1.0 L
Kodak gives a fixer formula in H-24 Module 15, but you can use any fixer. A hardening fixer is recommended for cine film. Kodak also gives the D-95 formula in module 15, but you can use Dektol 1:3 in place of the D-95 second developer if you want.
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Post by danzyc » Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:22 am

many thanks!..where i can buy the chemical?? do we have an on line store?

thanks...

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Post by danzyc » Tue Nov 01, 2005 10:30 am

Tri-X processing? Angus and/or Monobath should know...


And ++christoph, and ccortez, and chachi, ... etc. There are a number of people on this forum who process their own film.


could i have the mail of this people? ...i m just curios to reach the similar "andec trix effect" ....

i use agfa neutol 1+3 but i have seen on the negative a strange "light halo" with an overexspose effect (

i will describe the process ..

12 min agfa neutol 1+3
wash 5 min
bleach 5 min (potassium dichromate)
wash 5 min
clear 5 min
wash 5 minute
100 w expousure for 5 minute
second developer (neutol 1+3) for 6 min
wash
fixer
final wash..

it is strange...

thanks for all!

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Post by richard p. t. » Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:13 am

For what it is worth, for tri-x (and orwo black and white) I use:

all at 20 deg celceus
D19 dev - 6min
wash - 3 min
bleach (R9) 3min
wash - 3min
clear - 2.5 min
wash - 3 min
reexpose 100w 1 meter away 1 minute
2nd dev d19 3 min
wash 3 min
fix (i use tetenal) 6 min
wash 20 min

I dont add thyocyanide to the d19 and am happy with the result.
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Post by danzyc » Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:34 pm

where i can buy orwo chemical??

the result of trix is similar to andec? with d19?

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Post by richard p. t. » Tue Nov 01, 2005 11:02 pm

D19 is a kodak developer. This comes in a yellow bag as powder. It is usually available at a good photo shop that does dark room stuff.
Yes you get good results with it.

It works well with all black and white reversal films (plus x, tri-x, Foma, Kahl (which is ORWO))

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Post by danzyc » Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:20 pm

d19 works with permanganate bleach? r-10

thank....

d19 is similar to d94??

where i can buy the pure chemical?

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Post by richard p. t. » Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:56 pm

Yes it is similar, but d94 or d95 is the official version. Advantage of d19 is that it comes in a bag already mixed up.

You can use either type of bleach, I find r9 easier.

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Post by monobath » Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:18 pm

I don't know what Tri-X developed by Andec looks like. I'd be surprised if they use D-19, but I don't really know. D-19 is a general purpose high-contrast developer, whereas D-94 and D-94A were specifically designed for Kodak's cine film emulsions.

You can also mix D-19 from bulk chemicals. Here is the formula.
KODAK D-19
High contrast film developer

Water, about 50°C 500 ml
Metol 2 g
Sodium Sulfite (anhydrous) 90 g
Hydroquinone 8 g
Sodium Carbonate (monohydrate*) 52.5 g
Potassium Bromide 5 g
Water to make 1L

* = 45 g Sodium Carbonate (anhydrous)

Mixing instructions: Add chemicals in specified sequence.

Dilution: Use undiluted. Use between 65F/18C and 70F/21C for best results
In the US, the bulk chemicals are easily sourced from Photographer's Formulary or from ArtCraft Chemicals. I am fairly certain they will NOT ship to locations outside of the US.

I don't know where you live, but you'll almost certainly need to find a chemical supplier in your country.

If you use D-19 you should probably use R-9 bleach. Also use R-9 with D-94. Use R-10 with D-94A.
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Post by danzyc » Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:13 pm

could you tell me the shelf-life of d-94,d-19 ecc?? (and the number of film=

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Post by monobath » Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:32 pm

As far as I know, Kodak doesn't say what the mixed solution life of the solutions mixed from bulk chemicals is, but table 15-21 in the module 15 document that I previously referred you to gives solution life for the pre-mixed chemistry. It's probably the same, about two weeks for most of the solutions. Personally, I've used D-94 that was six weeks old and stored in glass bottles under inert gas without observing any problem. R-9 bleach lasts indefinitely if kept clean (filtered after each use) and if lost solution is topped off from clean unused stock solution.

As for capacity, I run no more than 6 to 8 50 foot films through mine before tossing. I also mix up a little extra solution than I need, and replenish about 20% of the solution every couple of films. I don't know the actual capacity.

I don't know solution life or capacity for D-19, but I'm sure it is listed on the package.
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Post by danzyc » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:31 pm

i have contact my chemical laboratory they have the component for make the d-94!

how i can prepare??

could i mix all the component for d-94 in a small bag for one liter and

dissolve in 750 ml when i need?? (the componet of d-19 is mixed all toghether)

or i should mix the single component and dissolve every single component every time step by step??

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