How Many Speed Notch Settings In Your Camera?

[T-Scan]

After checking my manual, any camera with 6 notches will expose at 100ASA without a filter. So this 100D rumor is based on 2 notch cameras.

Tungston ASA 25 40 64 100 160 250 400
Daylight ASA 16 25 40 64 100 160 250

[sunrise]

Canon 1014e has 6 notches.
Yashica Super-60 has 6.

michael

[phil464]

My Nizo 4056 has 6 notches also.
It exposes 500T correctly, so I guess the 4056/4080/6056/6080 are ok for 100D too.

[filmo]

The Nizo 800 series instruction book I have says 100 maximum ASA.

Anyone shot higher speed film with a Nizo silver-body?

[super8man]

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[Actor]

The notches are in the cartridge, not the camera.

????

[Santo]

Any camera that you open up and find six "fingers" or "knobs" or whatever -- or even "wedgies" or "sliders" for that matter -- to read the cart would register 100d, if it were issued in the same exact carts as Plus-X, correctly. All Nizos, all Canons, all Nikons, and most Elmos, most Minoltas, will do it. Just open up your camera's film port and have a look. The Plus-X cart is set up to register 100 asa with the internal filter out of the path just like 100d would be (or should be). It is a shame about the later cameras with only the two setting thing, but all you're looking at about half a stop underexposed (it'll be exposed at 160). An easy adjustment with your camera or perhaps it might be okay. Don't know -- haven't shot with 100d, obviously.

For safety, all users would have to do is make sure their filter is turned off at all times. A glance at the manual is all that's involved. If they're shooting indoors under tungsten, use the correct 80a filter on the lens and that would be it.

Interestingly, V2 100t, should Kodak ever clue in to doing the smart thing and issuing this for super 8 carts, would have the same notch length as Plus-X but with the addition of the lower filter notch cut out like in all the tungsten balanced stocks. Again, most quality super 8 cameras would register it correctly no problem, and many users would be shooting with Beaulieus (and a few Leicina Specials) anyways, where cart notches are not an issue.

Kodak, issue 100d and V2 100t in super 8. The only complaints will be on webboards like this from people who haven't simply put some film in their cameras and shot with it. When the results are seen and posted from people who have, the voices of ignorance and illogical concerns will be drowned out.

[Santo]

You need to put a listing for "no notch reader" on your survey. I'm voting for 6 because I have a sound Nizo as a back up camera to my Leicina Special, but I prefer to completely avoid any concerns with "automatic camera anything" these days so I'm in control of my filmmaking without any confusion. As are all those Beaulieu users, guess. I also prefer ttl metering so that there's no miscalculations in that area, either.

[super8man]

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[Santo]

Then what is Kodak doing with their specs for super 8? They have a clear spec for 100 (filter out)/64 (filter in) which a link was provied to in this original thread. And why would those camera manufacturers have a 6 finger system set up to measure that?

Either you measured wrong, or the guys at Kodak really fucked up with their cart.

I feel the need to buy some Plus-X and Ektachrome tomorrow and measure myself. Last I remember, putting those two carts side by side, the Plus-X was slightly shorter in notch length.

You are assuming Kodak's own chart spec doesn't exist which clearly shows a setting for 100/64. 64 being changed in the camera when the filter is in place.

For Kodak not to set their own 100 speed film to read as 100 makes absolutely no sense at all.

I'll find a link to that chart and edit this post.

[Santo]

I'm adding this form the other post (100d continued) for clarity:

100 daylight balanced colour is exactly the same as 100 black and white. There is no difference.

Without the filter, 100 is 100 is 100.

Plus-X, the second from the right on the chart on your site, has no notch cut out on the lower end of the cart like K40 does (on the farthest right slot beside it). Have a look.

You'll notice on most all those camera film slot pics that there is a little button that comes out to feel and see if this slot is in place or not. If your camera has one of these, then the filter is pushed out of place usually automatically. Otherwise, why in the world would a camera manufacturer bother to engineer that in there?

Here's Kodak's own specs. You'll notice very clearly that they have a 100 (filter out or shooting tungsten balanced film indoors OR black and white without the filter) / 64 with the internal filter in place (shooting tungsten balanced colour film indoors).

http://www.kodak.com/global/en/service/ ... 2107.shtml

For clarity, 5 down the chart you'll see it. For them to rate the film at 64 (daylight)/100 (tungsten) means simply that the 100 speed is for the filter removed. After all, you don't use the filter for tungsten balanced film under tungsten light so it's moved out of the way.

You need to fix your website. You're confusing both yourself and others needlessly. I've done tests with external light meters: Plus-X 100 does indeed register properly as 100 speed film with the filter moved out of the way. 100d would do exactly the same.

[super8man]

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[Santo]

When I shoot 100 speed film in my SLR, I set the dial to 100 speed. It doesn't matter if it's tungsten, daylight, or black and white film. The ttl light meter doesn't know the difference. Neither would a super 8 camera if you cut the carts to correct spec.

[T-Scan]

Without the filter, 100 is 100 is 100.

Correctomundo! The 100 tungston setting in cameras is 100ASA without filter, exactly the same as it would be for 100D. all that needs to be done is design the cartridge notched at 100ASA and either automatically disable the filter, or put a note on the freakin box reminding people to do so. Therefore, this rumor makes no real valid sense.. and is probably the words of a numb skull, or intentional misinformation from Kodak just to keep everyone in the dark till THEY announce it.

[mattias]

if you cut the carts to correct spec.

i think what he's trying ot say is that there's no spec for 100d, which you say there is. you won't get anywhere either by measuring or using theory before you've settled on this fact.

/matt