I've recently entered the wonderful world of super 8...
I want very much to make some short films on super 8.
I want sound in these shorts.
I'm planning to record simultaneously with a minidv and super8 (taking the sound on the minidv) and later syncing the images with the sound...
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I love super 8 cameras. But mine runs pretty damn noisy whilst running film through it.
I've been told that this is just the trademark super8 operating sound and all super 8's make it.
Okay... that's cool.
But does anyone know of a super8 camera that runs 'comparatively' quieter? Has anyone ever owned or seen or heard of a cam that just whiired a little quieter than most?
It means a lot to me and i'd appreciate any info or thoughts, regardless of how vague.
Thanks for your time
Richard
[b]PLease...help me if you can. Looking for a quiet camera!!
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I have noticed the same!Cheezy wrote:The funny thing is my S709 is way more noisy than my S715 and still, they are the same cameras, only with different lenses!
Comparing Bauer 715 to Canon 1014 XL-S they seems to be as quiet (or noisy) both. Haven't possibility to test Bauer or Canon against Nizos.
I made one wild sync test you can find my web site with Bauer 715 during last Summer and it worked just great, no camera sound to audio track.
Best Regards
Jukka Sillanpaa
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if you want to save money - get teh Nizo 4080. Its the same cam minus some small features. Both have the same level of noise [or lack of it].
6080/4080 IS THE QUIETEST S8 cam. It should suffice in most cases. I suggest a blimp [soft casing] when the mic and cam is about 10feet or less from each other.
6080/4080 IS THE QUIETEST S8 cam. It should suffice in most cases. I suggest a blimp [soft casing] when the mic and cam is about 10feet or less from each other.
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I owned both the Nizo 6080 and the Canon 1014 XL-S. The Nizo is much quieter and the sound barney will help reduce the highs. I used to think having the quietest camera was the most important thing. But them I got to compare image tests of the Nizo 6080 and the Canon 814 with a Beaulieu 7008 under standard shoot conditions in a garage.
Sure, the Nizo was nice because it was quieter. But I use a digital-to-pilotone converter and a Nagra 4.2L to keep audio in sync. This means I am stuck next to the camera with cables all over. Very annoying when you keep having to move for another shot. And you can't tell with split image focusing that you are prefectly focused unless you also measure.
Now the Beaulieu 7008 was also loud and echoed like the Canon 814 in a big garage. But with some sound blankets or a sound barney, I don't think it would be as much of a problem. Also because it was crystal synced and has ground glass focusing there were no need for cables all over, to measure each shot to in order to be sure we were in focus.
Later once we got the film back we looked at it on a Beaulieu 708EL projector with a new bulb (the old one was starting to change the color of the light). I have to say the footage on the Canon and the Nizo has some color tinge to the footage. My Nizo has a slight red color to everything. I only noticed this after comparaing it to the Beaulieu footage, which was made with an angenieux lens. All the footage was in focus.
Anyway my point to all this is that having all the professional features sure makes things alot easier and you end up with excellent results. But ofcourse there is a big initial price tag on that.
Sure, the Nizo was nice because it was quieter. But I use a digital-to-pilotone converter and a Nagra 4.2L to keep audio in sync. This means I am stuck next to the camera with cables all over. Very annoying when you keep having to move for another shot. And you can't tell with split image focusing that you are prefectly focused unless you also measure.
Now the Beaulieu 7008 was also loud and echoed like the Canon 814 in a big garage. But with some sound blankets or a sound barney, I don't think it would be as much of a problem. Also because it was crystal synced and has ground glass focusing there were no need for cables all over, to measure each shot to in order to be sure we were in focus.
Later once we got the film back we looked at it on a Beaulieu 708EL projector with a new bulb (the old one was starting to change the color of the light). I have to say the footage on the Canon and the Nizo has some color tinge to the footage. My Nizo has a slight red color to everything. I only noticed this after comparaing it to the Beaulieu footage, which was made with an angenieux lens. All the footage was in focus.
Anyway my point to all this is that having all the professional features sure makes things alot easier and you end up with excellent results. But ofcourse there is a big initial price tag on that.
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I have owned a Canon 1014 XL-s, and now own Nizo 4080 and 6080 cameras. The Canon, although nice, is far too noisy. My 6080 is crystal synced and is the quietest camera you can get. It still needs a barney, or even a blimp (hard version of a barney), but it's the best you can get, and either Nizo is good enough for shooting sound. If you live in a PAL region, they have the added bonus of running at 25 fps as well as 24, so you can do better transfers to video. The red tinge the other poster speaks of is not a camera issue. Kodachrome renders red quite brightly, and the colour temperature of the light when shooting is the most likely culprit. if you shoot indoors, with indoor light and the orange daylight filter is in place, it will always look orangey.
Hope this was useful to you. I have been through what you're investigating for the past 4 years. I am selling my Nizo 4080 for £250 (US$375) if you're interested. It's a lovely camera, and much cheaper than the 6080, with quite trivial differences. It can be crystal synced in America and there is a custom fit barney available for it, because everyone who goes down this path ends up with a Nizo 4080 or 6080 in the end.
Best wishes
Lucas, London, England
I have owned a Canon 1014 XL-s, and now own Nizo 4080 and 6080 cameras. The Canon, although nice, is far too noisy. My 6080 is crystal synced and is the quietest camera you can get. It still needs a barney, or even a blimp (hard version of a barney), but it's the best you can get, and either Nizo is good enough for shooting sound. If you live in a PAL region, they have the added bonus of running at 25 fps as well as 24, so you can do better transfers to video. The red tinge the other poster speaks of is not a camera issue. Kodachrome renders red quite brightly, and the colour temperature of the light when shooting is the most likely culprit. if you shoot indoors, with indoor light and the orange daylight filter is in place, it will always look orangey.
Hope this was useful to you. I have been through what you're investigating for the past 4 years. I am selling my Nizo 4080 for £250 (US$375) if you're interested. It's a lovely camera, and much cheaper than the 6080, with quite trivial differences. It can be crystal synced in America and there is a custom fit barney available for it, because everyone who goes down this path ends up with a Nizo 4080 or 6080 in the end.
Best wishes
Lucas, London, England