16mm Camera Reccomendations

Post by **BonnutFilmStudio** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:27 am

Hi, I'm looking for a 16mm camera that fits these qualties:
shoots 24 fps (at least)
top loading at least up to 400' of film
does not have to be motorized but if it's a wind up what would be the quietest?
I'm guessing a Krasnogorsk, would be the best, but what other features woud a camera like that have? And which would be best for what I'm looking for?

Post by **downix** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:59 am

The K does not have a magazine option. I'd normally recommend a Filmo, but it is a back-loading magazine. Pity you hadn't mentioned this a month ago, I knew of a Mitchell 16mm going for $900.

Post by **BonnutFilmStudio** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:24 am

Back loading is fine too. Aren't filmos motorized though? How's the motor sound when it runs?

Post by **downix** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:30 am

Filmo's are a modular design. Mine happens to be clockwork only, missing the motorized option. But the ones that take magazines have the option of either-or operation, there's a clockwork system, a hand-wind option, and a motorized option. Obviously, they're not quiet machines, but I built myself a blimp for my own unit that works pretty well.

Post by **BonnutFilmStudio** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 2:34 am

Thanks for the help.

Post by **ccortez** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:35 am

downix wrote:Filmo's are a modular design. Mine happens to be clockwork only, missing the motorized option. But the ones that take magazines have the option of either-or operation, there's a clockwork system, a hand-wind option, and a motorized option. Obviously, they're not quiet machines, but I built myself a blimp for my own unit that works pretty well.

I just received the motor and 400' mag for my Filmo 70 HR. My understanding is that the motor is required to use the external magazine.

I haven't heard the motor yet, but mine's not unreasonably loud when using hand-wind. But I would use a blimp if shooting sync sound with it...

Post by **Actor** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:52 am

Scoopic 16M

That's the black model, not the gray one. The gray one only shoots 100' daylight loads.

Post by **Nigel** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:13 am

How much are you going to spend??? If you are spending a 1000 USD then I would go for an Arri S/B.

Other than 400' loads what are your plans for the camera?? What do you hope to accomplish with it??

Good Luck

Post by **looneyfarm** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:27 am

Actor wrote:Scoopic 16M

That's the black model, not the gray one. The gray one only shoots 100' daylight loads.

As far as I know, 16M cannot take 400' magazine either. 16MS, however, is capable to this.

As Nigel said, an Arriflex would be a good choice if you're spending lots of cash. Also Eclairs are good cameras that can go dirt cheap these days.

Post by **Actor** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 8:46 am

looneyfarm wrote:
Actor wrote:Scoopic 16M

That's the black model, not the gray one. The gray one only shoots 100' daylight loads.
As far as I know, 16M cannot take 400' magazine either. 16MS, however, is capable to this.

The 16mm Camera Book by Douglas Underdahl only lists the Scoopic 16 and Scoopic 16M. There is no mention of a Scoopic 16MS. He states that the 16M accepts 400' external Mitchell/CP magazine.

My own Scoopic is the gray Scoopic 16 which only accepts 100' loads.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:12 am

I have a "M" labelled Scoopic with a 400Ã‚Â´mag but the original manual says "MS" so you may well be right.

R

Post by **nasq** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:00 pm

How about Eclairs? In the ballpark of $1500

Post by **Herb Montes** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:57 pm

A Bolex M5 with a 400' magazine and an external electric drive. The camera can also be used with the spring drive for 100' loads. Best of both worlds.

I picked up an M5 on eBay last year for $500. It came with a Pan Cinor zoom with a reflex finder. I got the magazine from another dealer for around $400. It came with the take-up motor and core adapters. With an MST or EM motor you could be approaching $1000 to $1500 in costs.

The MST runs at 24 fps and can be modified for crystal sync. The EM can run from 12 to 24 fps. The more expensive ESM motor gives you a greater range of speeds and can be easily crystal synced.

Post by **BonnutFilmStudio** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 3:46 pm

Nigel wrote:How much are you going to spend??? If you are spending a 1000 USD then I would go for an Arri S/B.

Other than 400' loads what are your plans for the camera?? What do you hope to accomplish with it??

Good Luck

Well I've been given somewhat of a head start for 16mm I've been offered the following:
Vision 320T/7277 (227') 06/03
50D/7245 (400' unopened) 06/03
50D/7245 (300') 03/99
EXR 100T/7248 (400' unopened) 03/99
Vision 200T/7274 (400' unopened) 09/97
250D/7297 (400' unopened) 06/97
EXR 200T/7293 (400' unopened) 09/96

And it's a bargin so I'm going to take it. I have a 100' loading 16mm camera at home but, the studio is growing and we can afford it now so I'm going to gor for a 400' loading camera.

Post by **Nigel** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 4:27 pm

I have been going back and forth on selling my camera because while it has served me well. It has given me that chance to do far more than many others.

However, if I had it to do all over again I would really think hard about buying a camera.

You can factor into your work the price of rental and pass it onto the customer. Not only that but unless you are buying a 20,000USD or more camera then its rental/cutomer appeal is slim to nil. I couldn't imagine selling myself and an Arri SB to a customer and having them actually take me seriously.

A good deal on outdated film is hardly a reason to buy a camera.

What do you really want the camera to do?? What do you hope to accomplish with the camera??

Good Luck