Intercutting Super 8 & Double 8

[gkaplan57]

Hello: Has anybody here intercut Super 8 & Double 8 in the same scene? How did they compare side by side? Has anybody inter cut Super 8 & Double 8 in the same film? USING THE SAME FILM STOCK IN BOTH CAMERAS.

I would like to use two cameras and one is a Bolex H8 (double8) and the other a Nizo 4080 (super8) and was wondering what I can get away with.

Of course I will just shoot some film and see but if anybody can save me some pain...

Thanks
Larry Roussarie

[jessh]

I would expect the R8 to have a bit more grain and maybe a bit better registration, if you are transfering to video intercutting them might not be a problem, have never actually seen it done though.

[tfunch24]

I've been toying with the same idea for my latest project. I picked up a Keystone K-4C 8mm camera and ordered three rolls of Cinechrome 25 from International Film. The only problem that's keeping me from actually doing it is that I'll be shooting in low-light (see the threads "K40 and Stadium Lighting" and "K40 and Stadium Lighting Revisited" to see what I'm trying to accomplish) and I don't think the Cinechrome will fare well, especially since it will have to be filtered (it's daylight balanced and I'm shooting under metal halide lights). Also, though Cinechrome is a process K-14 film (which means Dwayne's will process it. Yay!) it differs from S8 K40 enough that a comparison would not have much meaning.

Just my .02. Good luck.

Tom

[Regular 8 Freak]

I haven't used Cinechrome 25 and a Super 8 stock together in a film yet, but I have shot both C25 and K40 on the same day at the same event (a civil war renactment). I plan to intercut them together on video soon. I think if done properly they should interact well. The H8 will yield some nice film. If you are shooting in a low light situation Cine Color 125 is available in the regular 8 format, which is also the same stock as Kodak Ektachrome Super 8. As far as lighting I have shot C-Chrome 25 in my living room using two 500w work lights and an old Atlas Warner 650 watt movie light. It was just a home movie and the shadows etc.. could have been better but that had more to do with the hap hazard manner in which I positioned the lights more than anything else. The results were nice. Everything was crisp and vibrant. I have a red Persian type rug with blue and white designs in that room and filmed a few feet it with my grey cat lying on it. The color registeration turned out AWESOME. I love the strength of colors that the C-25 captures when used in my Bolex P-1. You will be surprised how much of an image you can get even in low light situations with Cinechrome. I guess K-40 is actually my favorite stock, but the C-25 ranks a close second. I have about 20 rolls in the fridge right now. Whatever you decide to do with it , I think you will be delighted with the results. Just remember to try and load and change in a very shaded or dark place or you will wind up with a few frames of orange fog.

[studiocarter]

Hi, this subject reminds me of an idea that's been kicking around my head for a while. How about a movie with several characters in it, each with a different point of view; sort of like that tv show of a crime seen by different people. Only each person's point of view would be a different camera and film. The rich man would see with 16mm film. The clerk would see with Super 8mm and the hippy would see with Regular 8mm film. Everything would be edited in a computer. Color differences would be covered by showing the characters wearing different colored sunglasses so you wouldn't need to color correct anything. Neat huh?

[Regular 8 Freak]

Interesting. I like it, tell me more

[studiocarter]

The same thing could be done with audio, that way, every type of sync method could be covered in one film. One person would have a crystal sync camera on him or showing what he/she/it sees, the rich poodle for example, and on its collar is a tiny mic and a transmitter... The poor beatnik of old, Maynerd G Crebs, is tripping out and has sound sync problems, cool pink or blue sunglasses, Regular 8mm film and a green eyed reel to reel tape recorder, a old chrome michrophone hovers around his head like a bug drawn to a sweet thing. He often bats at it when it comes into the picture frame. Wnen he talks you see the green eye open and close somewhere picture in picture, like in the center of his forehead! Cool. Ha. :lol:

[studiocarter]

Wait, take that indian thing off his head and make the green eye of the taperecorder into a peace button on his denim jacket. It has a lot of patches. He'd look too much like an alien with it on his face.

[tfunch24]

1. Interesting idea and concept. How are you going to handle sound-synch, though? Correct me if I'm wrong, there was only one 8mm camera that ran at 24 fps and that is very rare as it was produced right before Kodak released S8.

2. I've decided to take the plunge. I defrosted my roll of C25 last night and I loaded it into my Keystone K4-C today. I'm going to shoot the roll tonight. Wish me luck! My local supermarket does offer processing of both R8 and S8 (they outlab it to Fuji, who, in turn, outlabs it to Dwayne's.) I'll have the results by next Friday. I'm worried about accidentally double-exposing the film, but even though tonight's shoot is for my recent project, I'll still have other opportunities to shoot more R8 for it.

Tom

[studiocarter]

The H8RX has a variable speed dial that goes way past 24fps. The trick is to find the correct setting or a camera that has a click stop at that setting.

[Regular 8 Freak]

The Bolex P series cameras also film at 24fps. Good luck with your shooting. 8)