vision 200T

Post by **Paul Costello** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:28 pm

So I shot off some vision 200T not knowing it was a negative film stock. The best price to get it transfered in a studio to a positive format was from this site (thanks Andreas). However someone suggested that I just telecine the film in the normal way and just change it from a neg to a pos in the computer programe.
Has anyone does this before and whats the quality like. That is to say it would be a massive financial saving if the loss in quality isnt so noticable...

P.

Post by **S8 Booster** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 6:45 pm

Hi.

I did a "trial" test making a short "endless loop" on the projector and let it run while I tried different settings on the camera but I found it difficult to get good reults with my cam. Thus the result is not particulary good but it ispossible to do it as can see. See clip posted. The flicker is a video cam shutter speed mismatch with the projector.

This is a straight DIY - no tweak clip. Film was 50D

White balance: Auto
Camera inversion: Manual

ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video/mov/nego.mov 6.5 mb

Although this image is from a V1 500T film how it will look using a proper transfer service. Identical motives.

R

Post by **studiocarter** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:27 am

My brother's father in law to be shot the wedding with the video camera reverse image switch in the wrong setting. As a result the entire wedding was in negative. I captured it into Premiere and just reversed the entire thing in one go. You couldn't tell the difference between it and a normally shot video. It didn't take long either.

Post by **mattias** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:58 am

regular8mm wrote:video camera

and your point would be? i once reversed an image in photoshop and then back again. it looked the same. amazing, huh?

/matt

Post by **Paul Costello** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:45 am

Thanks regular8mm guy. I an get my negative onto dv without loosing any quality free of charge, so if I can upload that to the PC and flip it without any further loss of quality Im in buisness.

Another question, do people out there feel the 200T is a better format than the K40 assuming the lighting isnt an issue. ......I say better for want of a more appropriate word.

P.

Post by **mattias** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:18 pm

Paul Costello wrote:I an get my negative onto dv without loosing any quality

i doubt it. my point with the grumpy post above was that a video camera in negative mode simply shoots positive as usual, then invert it digitally, so what you do when you invert it again you just undo the first inversion. negative film transferred to negative dv sadly doesn't work like that. the two main issues are that black is represented as orange and not white and that all dust will be white after inverting making it much more visible.

/matt

Post by **Paul Costello** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:57 pm

Aha! I knew it wouldnt be that simple...looks like Im gonna have to pay the money.

Post by **mattias** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:08 pm

i guess so, but you *can* get acceptable or even great results with a film chain/wp transfer, it just takes more work. the film and transfer equipment must be *very* clean and you have to tweak the white balance and exposure a lot to get something that can be reversed later. people (i.e. roger evans) say this isn't so hard if you have a video inverter plugged in while tweaking, but i haven't tried it and it is indeed very hard without one.

/matt

Post by **Paul Costello** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 1:21 pm

Matt, Ive got a couple of S8 cameras a projector and an editor thats it!
No video transfer equipment or anything like that and indeed no tech expertiese in this field.
I think Ill just pay the money....

P.

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