Check it out a pretty new site http://www.thesuper8workshop.com
Jef
A new Super 8 website thesuper8workshop.com
Moderator: Andreas Wideroe
Re: A new Super 8 website thesuper8workshop.com
You wrote:
"Discover the magic of Super 8 film with us and become a member and support us in promoting the future of Super 8."
And:
"Online Membership Part Two
Thankyou for completing part one of the application form. All that is required now to complete your membership is that you click on the subscribe button below to make your payment of £115.00"
F**cking great! :evil:
I'll also translate my kaitisopas.pdf (it's now free, 91 pages, you can find it from my sorb-i-tol.com server) from Finnish to English and start asking 150 euro per update from "members", that's really great idea!
Best Regards
Jukka Sillanpaa
Jukka Sillanpaa
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Pj
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The super8 Workshop
I think your comment is a bit harsh. the Super 8 workshop is really into supporting filmmaking activity as opposed to more techincal stuff. And they are giving back membership fees throught their schemes and competitions.
I am aware that people from the BBC in England are involved as judges - So the whole thing is qiute legitamate and professional. I really dont know why you are so cynical.
I for one think it's a great idea ye maybe a bit pricey.
Pj
I am aware that people from the BBC in England are involved as judges - So the whole thing is qiute legitamate and professional. I really dont know why you are so cynical.
I for one think it's a great idea ye maybe a bit pricey.
Pj
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rollemfilm
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They say they offer "services" like telecine but were are the prices and info on these services? They make me suspicious. Why the double headline? Top of the page says Super 8 Workshop and right below it it says it again.
If they offer services like printing and transfers they should tell you how they do this and the cost.
If they offer services like printing and transfers they should tell you how they do this and the cost.
sound mixer
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Lucas Lightfeat
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Good luck to them, but no. Anyone who finds this site first would be as well to stay here, get stuck in and learn from this most excellent learning community. For free telecine, sure I'd join up, but discounts - hell no! Discounts are standard. Knowledge is free. Community is here already.
The authors must be members on here, surely. Come on - show yourselves!
Lucas
The authors must be members on here, surely. Come on - show yourselves!
Lucas
the Super 8 Workshop
Criticisms, criticisms that all I have got for most of you guys. And no I wasn't a member here I only joined today but I have visited this site several times in the past and it is great. I have got nothing bad to say about it. - Give us a break! We are not dupilicating anything from here or anywhere else.
You guys don't own the medium niether do we. But we felt there was a needed for a site / organisation which was more about competitions and awarding people for making films and being creative with Super 8 / Single 8 film. The awards are money anything upto £2000. Such things exist in the professional world of filmmaking.
We are a group (four) of filmmakers from the Midlands (UK). Our work with the Creative Industries sector led us to developing the Super 8 Workshop. The Super 8 Workshop was formed in 1996 (the year of 100 years of film). At that time we ran workshops in Super 8 filmmaking accross Birmingham in the Midland Arts Centre, Birmingham Centre for Media Arts and Vivid.
We decided to launch a website and started out May 2002 where we did a lot of research and found out that a lot of hardcore Super 8 users like the fact that Super 8 is cheaper and somewhat easier to work on. Naturally a lot of people preferreed the cheapness of equipment and so on. But we also discovered a certain amount of cynicism from hardcore users about competitions and membership fees etc.
But we have decided that membership fees are necessary especially if we want to give away cash prizes. And more importantly if we want Super 8 to have a professional future.
We will be announcing our judges on our website in the competitions section in a couple of weeks. Our judges are journalits, producers and directors from places like the BBC.
So we ask you all to see us with a little bit of positivity. Tell us what your concerns about us are instead of being just negative. I mean do you guys want us to shut down? Of course we can't force anyone to be members and those who dont want to be can choose not to be. But for those who are filmmakers and want to get recognition for your work it could be a great opportunity.
We at the Super 8 Workshop all have fulltime jobs in the industry (which is for those who dont know all about money). And most importantly we see Super 8 as having a professional future. But when we are met with too much criticism from people who seem to want things for free or from people who see us crossing some kind of teritrorial ground we do think whether it is worth it - but we still charge on because we believe that it is the professional interest in Super 8 that has kept it going strong as well as sites suich as this.
1) Filmmaking is a hobby for most and that's great it's what amateur filmmaking is about.
2) Filmmaking is a career to many where people make money from their craft - that's a fact of life.
Jus
You guys don't own the medium niether do we. But we felt there was a needed for a site / organisation which was more about competitions and awarding people for making films and being creative with Super 8 / Single 8 film. The awards are money anything upto £2000. Such things exist in the professional world of filmmaking.
We are a group (four) of filmmakers from the Midlands (UK). Our work with the Creative Industries sector led us to developing the Super 8 Workshop. The Super 8 Workshop was formed in 1996 (the year of 100 years of film). At that time we ran workshops in Super 8 filmmaking accross Birmingham in the Midland Arts Centre, Birmingham Centre for Media Arts and Vivid.
We decided to launch a website and started out May 2002 where we did a lot of research and found out that a lot of hardcore Super 8 users like the fact that Super 8 is cheaper and somewhat easier to work on. Naturally a lot of people preferreed the cheapness of equipment and so on. But we also discovered a certain amount of cynicism from hardcore users about competitions and membership fees etc.
But we have decided that membership fees are necessary especially if we want to give away cash prizes. And more importantly if we want Super 8 to have a professional future.
We will be announcing our judges on our website in the competitions section in a couple of weeks. Our judges are journalits, producers and directors from places like the BBC.
So we ask you all to see us with a little bit of positivity. Tell us what your concerns about us are instead of being just negative. I mean do you guys want us to shut down? Of course we can't force anyone to be members and those who dont want to be can choose not to be. But for those who are filmmakers and want to get recognition for your work it could be a great opportunity.
We at the Super 8 Workshop all have fulltime jobs in the industry (which is for those who dont know all about money). And most importantly we see Super 8 as having a professional future. But when we are met with too much criticism from people who seem to want things for free or from people who see us crossing some kind of teritrorial ground we do think whether it is worth it - but we still charge on because we believe that it is the professional interest in Super 8 that has kept it going strong as well as sites suich as this.
1) Filmmaking is a hobby for most and that's great it's what amateur filmmaking is about.
2) Filmmaking is a career to many where people make money from their craft - that's a fact of life.
Jus
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Lucas Lightfeat
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As I said, good luck to you. Also, I'm sorry for the criticism - we have something amazing here on this site, but we are riding on Andreas's (the site host's) generosity to a great extent and it makes some sense that you should charge if the services you can then offer are worth it. Well done for showing up and rebuking your critics as well - it's only natural for people from this site to be sceptical, but you have defended yourself well. Many of us are very experienced Super8ers, much like yourself and your team, and many of us are also Professional film-makers.
All the best
Lucas
All the best
Lucas
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matt5791
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I agree. This site will only help expose the existance of Super8 to many more people. In particular young people (and I'm talking about people born after the demise of super8 as an amateur format) many of whom are out there with camcorders trying to make films etc. and getting frustrated that they just look like home videos - most of these people have never heard of Super8 (or 16mm for that matter) and are blissfully unaware of the creative opportunities the format offers. It costs money though to run festivals etc.marc wrote:I am for anything that extends the longevity of the super 8 format. I may not use the site personally but if someone else finds it usefull and therefore helps to multiply the number of super 8 users in the world then I wish it success.
Matt
Birmingham UK
Re: the Super 8 Workshop
Seems human nature for some to chop down rather than build up. I agree that anything to support or extend 8mm films is a good thing. Nothings free, even this site. There is a donation section on here as well, not that many people use it. If you need to charge for any services you offer, then I have no criticism. Everyone is free to choose how they spend their money, exceptions not mentioned. Wish your endeavor well. Please stop back.S8W wrote:Criticisms, criticisms that all I have got for most of you guys. And no I wasn't a member here I only joined today but I have visited this site several times in the past and it is great. I have got nothing bad to say about it. - Give us a break! We are not dupilicating anything from here or anywhere else.
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rollemfilm
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You should listen to your critics. There are problems with your web page that make people feel at odds with it. Correct the problems if you can.
The main problem seems to be you're not up front with fees for services and some of the wording is redundant. We all have heard about how super 8 is this and that. That's fine, get to the core of the matter. What do you offer and how much. Be more straight forward. Otherwise it "seems" dishonest even if you are not. It's the perception that can hurt you.
We are not negative as much as critical. There is a difference. I depend on goods and services for my filmmaking. It takes a great deal of trust to send my hard earned money to folks I'll never meet face to face. I want to know what I'm getting and trust the service will be completed to my satisfaction.
I do wish you the best. Running a business is never easy.
The main problem seems to be you're not up front with fees for services and some of the wording is redundant. We all have heard about how super 8 is this and that. That's fine, get to the core of the matter. What do you offer and how much. Be more straight forward. Otherwise it "seems" dishonest even if you are not. It's the perception that can hurt you.
We are not negative as much as critical. There is a difference. I depend on goods and services for my filmmaking. It takes a great deal of trust to send my hard earned money to folks I'll never meet face to face. I want to know what I'm getting and trust the service will be completed to my satisfaction.
I do wish you the best. Running a business is never easy.
sound mixer
The Super 8 Workshop
Constructive criticism at last?
Thank you for your coments I just wanted you to point out the redundant aspect of the site to me. I thought we were clear but we are filmmakers and don't have great web skills. I suppose when you have worked on a project so long you think it's clear all the time.
To be clear our servies are:
Membership was £115.00 but we changed it to £80.00 per year, much of which paypal takes the rest we invest back.
If people feel better we may reduce the postal fee (become a member by
post - since we wont be paying 23% to paypal.
1) Entry for members into a high profile annual competition, we shall putting information on our judges on the competition page in about two weeks.
(We may charge members £25.00 to enter because we had to lower the membership fee we only want members to enter)
Prizes will dependent on membership but could be as much as £2,000.
2)Our Super 8 Shorts scheme where we will invite members to apply for up to £500 pounds. We want to be able to give 20 succesfull grants.
3) A detailed newsletter written by professionals people who work with Super 8, We will look at things like BECTU EQUITY legal and business matters, film distributing, tips on filming etc.
4) Prints/enlargements we will charge members 80 pence for a single Super 8/ Single 8 or regular 8 frame to a regular sized photograph.
5) Super 8/ single 8 to Super 8 copying - we can offer members a professional lab service for optical printing at £16.00 all inclusive (no hidden costs) for every 50 feet of film. We wont be charging for cleaning and prep and stuff.
6) We are setting a facility which will be operational by July 2004 to blow up Super 8 to 16mm or 35mm.
We will put all this information and more on our site in a couple of days.
Jus
Thank you for your coments I just wanted you to point out the redundant aspect of the site to me. I thought we were clear but we are filmmakers and don't have great web skills. I suppose when you have worked on a project so long you think it's clear all the time.
To be clear our servies are:
Membership was £115.00 but we changed it to £80.00 per year, much of which paypal takes the rest we invest back.
If people feel better we may reduce the postal fee (become a member by
post - since we wont be paying 23% to paypal.
1) Entry for members into a high profile annual competition, we shall putting information on our judges on the competition page in about two weeks.
(We may charge members £25.00 to enter because we had to lower the membership fee we only want members to enter)
Prizes will dependent on membership but could be as much as £2,000.
2)Our Super 8 Shorts scheme where we will invite members to apply for up to £500 pounds. We want to be able to give 20 succesfull grants.
3) A detailed newsletter written by professionals people who work with Super 8, We will look at things like BECTU EQUITY legal and business matters, film distributing, tips on filming etc.
4) Prints/enlargements we will charge members 80 pence for a single Super 8/ Single 8 or regular 8 frame to a regular sized photograph.
5) Super 8/ single 8 to Super 8 copying - we can offer members a professional lab service for optical printing at £16.00 all inclusive (no hidden costs) for every 50 feet of film. We wont be charging for cleaning and prep and stuff.
6) We are setting a facility which will be operational by July 2004 to blow up Super 8 to 16mm or 35mm.
We will put all this information and more on our site in a couple of days.
Jus
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Alex
What will be most effective is additional monies raised from the filmmaking community. If I know Kodak has put up 10 $500 dollar film stock prizes, I probably would give it a go.
But if the only source of fundraising is from the members, you may only have members join who think they will win a prize. Since the pool of money will be small, you will have many disappointed and suspicious non-winners who primarily joined because they thought they would win a prize.
If we talk numbers, I would guess that approximately 20% to 25% of the Super-8 filmmakers may enter a film that you absolutely want to reward. Using funds generated by the filmmakers won't be sufficient to meet that high of a percentage, especially if Paypal is taking 23%??? 8O
If you could get donations from Pro-8mm, Kodak, Yale, Film Directors who fondly remember their days shooting 8mm, I would join and enter a film or two in your contest.
P.S. Please be NTSC compatible, conversions from NTSC to PAL really aren't ideal for judging purposes.
But if the only source of fundraising is from the members, you may only have members join who think they will win a prize. Since the pool of money will be small, you will have many disappointed and suspicious non-winners who primarily joined because they thought they would win a prize.
If we talk numbers, I would guess that approximately 20% to 25% of the Super-8 filmmakers may enter a film that you absolutely want to reward. Using funds generated by the filmmakers won't be sufficient to meet that high of a percentage, especially if Paypal is taking 23%??? 8O
If you could get donations from Pro-8mm, Kodak, Yale, Film Directors who fondly remember their days shooting 8mm, I would join and enter a film or two in your contest.
P.S. Please be NTSC compatible, conversions from NTSC to PAL really aren't ideal for judging purposes.
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