A new Logmar shot film, by Friedemann Wachsmuth

[carllooper]

Tell me this isn't gorgeous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nh9BTMWj9M

[MovieStuff]

Really pretty. If I didn't know any better I would think it to be 16mm. I did notice one thing and that is a gentle rocking of the horizon as it nears the end of the roll. I also saw the same thing on the previous test near the end of the roll, as well. Is this inherent in the camera or a problem with the transfer?

Roger

[carllooper]

There is digital registration being used in the transfer which is introducing the rocking.

The digital registration is required because the Logmar, as per SMPTE standard, registers the current frame by a sprocket hole offset from such by two frames, whereas the transfer system used doesn't. Normally the transfer system that Friedemann uses, uses the sprocket hole of the current frame. But as can be seen, the sprocket hole against the current frame has some vertical variation, due entirely to variations in the sprocket pitch of the film stock rather than anything to do with pin-registration.

Basically, to make full use of the camera's pin-registration requires an equally pin-registered transfer unit - or at least one where it's digital registration uses the +2 sprocket hole as a reference for such.

But in this transfer the transfer is just using traditional digital stabilisation (based on the entire image field) which is not quite as effective.

C

[S8 Booster]

if you look at the perf (unrest) motion on the left you will see that the imagery is digitally stabilised.
The images are NOT stable. Put that post process software onto a decent 70s cam and see whats the result. To me this cam looks of no use. A hype..still...?...

German... dont remember the name by now (cooperate with Fred) developed a similar software 10? years ago.... http://youtu.be/4-xXrF6Z0y4
Remind you that this is a DIY off screen transfer onto a Video Hi8 format tape.


Shoot 8... with (some) determination...

[carllooper]

if you look at the perf (unrest) motion on the left you will see that the imagery is digitally stabilised.
The images are NOT stable. Put that post process software onto a decent 70s cam and see whats the result. To me this cam looks of no use. A hype..still...?...

Shoot 8... wit some determination...

Read my previous post. The image is pin-registered, but the sprocket (perf) used to perform that registration is offset two frames from the frame being exposed, and this is per SMPTE standard. You can't see this sprocket hole because it's two frames away. What you are seeing in the wobbly perf are variations in the sprocket pitch of the film stock which has no affect on registration.

That said, the transfer system does uses digital registration but that's because not only does it not use the correct sprocket for registration, it doesn't (in this case) use any sprocket. It uses digital registration based on the entire image field.

I'm currently building an optical printer for blowing up Super8, shot on the Logmar, to 16mm, and I'll be using the +2 sprocket hole as a reference for mechanical registration.

C

[S8 Booster]

Sorry but that does not improve over the results Fred´s cooperative partner managed 10 years ago. It is still hyped to me.

Shoot 8 outta

[carllooper]

Sorry but that does not improve over the results Fred´s cooperative partner manages 10 years ago. It is still hyped to me.

Shoot 8 outta Hell

But it does clear up your incorrect interpretation (or might I even say your hype) of what is otherwise going on.


C

[S8 Booster]

Sorry but that does not improve over the results Fred´s cooperative partner manages 10 years ago. It is still hyped to me.

Shoot 8 outta Hell

But it does clear up your incorrect interpretation of what is going on.

C

Hardly... time will show....

Shoot 8... anyway

[carllooper]

Hardly... time will show....

Well it should clear it up. But part of that does rely on you.

C

[S8 Booster]

Still hardly... the biggest contribution to 8mm for the time being seem to be RogerÅ› transfer systems... the 8mm format - however much you tweak it is DEAD as a formulating film format. It is on a downwards DIE spiral as a film creating standard. In the 70Å› the "PROS" laughed as us doing 8mm. At its best - hype THIS 8mm will be laughed at by any HDish Video Guy.

Shoot 8mm stylish..

(BTW - I have 8mm film material which will transfer the ass of the Logmars results...)

[carllooper]

Still hardly... the biggest contribution to 8mm for the time being seem to be RogerÅ› transfer systems... the 8mm format - however much you tweak it is DEAD as a formulating film format. It is on a downwards DIE spiral as a film creating standard. In the 70Å› the "PROS" laughed as us doing 8mm. At its best - hype THIS 8mm will be laughed at by any HDish Video Guy.

Shoot 8mm stylish..

(BTW - I have 8mm film material which will transfer the ass of the Logmars results...)

Regarding perfs and registration I made the same mistake myself, but found myself corrected by Friedemann. And happily so.
Ignorance is not bliss.

As for the claims about 8mm, I'm sure you're right. I've seen some of your material and it's kick arse. Basically an artist can make anything work.

Film is already dead. Its been dead for decades. Longer. The so called "pros" were just the very last to realise it, pronouncing it dead (as if they were the only ones who can do so) a long time after it had already died. The digital age had been in play long before The Cohen brothers discovered it. But being dead is not in any way an obstacle for film. Clearly. The same goes for so called "vintage" cars. For they are ghosts. Powerful ones. Slings and arrows pass right through them. They are ghosts able to haunt the contemporary, in their own peculiar and strange way.

C

[Tscan]

Yeah it looks incredible. The steadiness is so good that it's an experience all it's own. The 50D looked super sharp and fine grain, wish we had some decent color reversal to cash in on that action.

Carllooper wrote:

Film is already dead. Indeed it's been dead for decades. The so called "pros" were just the very last to realise it. But being dead is not in any way an obstacle for film. Clearly. For it is a ghost. A powerful one. One that is able to haunt the digital age in it's own peculiar and strange way.

Can I get all of that on a T-shirt?

[S8 Booster]

It is nothing this camera does that a 70´s camera can't´t do image wise. Digital software is the clue as ever....I may send my imagery to Fred for blowing the Logmar away...

Shoot.. 8.. it...

[carllooper]

Can I get all of that on a T-shirt?

Sure. Feel free.

I edited it somewhat from what you quoted - am always doing that - never quite happy with what first hits the page.

C

[carllooper]

It is nothing this camera does that a 70´s camera can't´t do image wise. Digital software is the clue as ever....I may send my imagery to Fred for blowing the Logmar away...

Shoot.. 8.. it...

You should do that for sure. I believe you. Indeed, that's kind of what it's all about - upping the ante in whichever way one can. I'm always blown away by what the simplest of methods can obtain. At our workshop we do that all the time - looking for the simplest and cheapest solutions, rather than any notionally "correct" solution. They have a power that money can't buy.

But I'd give the Logmar team some slack - they too are not buying some solution - they are creating it - being creative - its others that buy it (such as me), or not as the case may be.

But that said, all's fair in love and war. Fire away.

C