Building a new Super 8 camera--the toaster project?

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Building a new Super 8 camera--the toaster project?

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Whenever the inevitable discussion once again arises about building a brand new super 8 camera from scratch, go back and look at this story:

http://www.dwell.com/articles/the-toaster-project.html

http://www.papress.com/html/book.detail ... 1568989976

Designer Thomas Thwaites attempts to build a toaster from the ground up and it ends up costing him 1200 pounds (almost $2000!).

Certainly what most of us figured, but interesting to read about somebody actually building something in this way. Even if it was just a toaster. :wink:

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How vain! The only remarkable thing here is that he got publicity and Princeton Architectural Press to publish his book and sell it for $19.95. This is clearly someone with time on his hand and $2000 to spend on nonsense like that while people die of hunger. More vain than that is that some people are actually impressed by such vanity. Go and buy the book Tim - it will make an amazing display, spending $19.95, of your own vanity.
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I took his project a different way.

I thought he was trying to provide a critique about mass production and consumption by illustrating how capitalistic economies of scale allow for the manufacturer and sale of $5 disposable toasters to a public completely divorced from any of the realities of where their electronic devices come from.

Maybe I was wrong.

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It is a misplaced critique. So, no you are not wrong. But the vanity is in such a critique. It is exactly the economy of scale that allows a toaster to be sold for $5. And, on a philosophical ground, that can be argued, a functional work of art (and a toaster can be viewed as a functional work of art) does not have to call atention to its constituents unless you participate in some Academic deconstructive excercise. This is why it is a misplaced critique, in my opinion. It is just a vain deconstructive excercise. The earliest market of exchange in history is acknowledged to be in ancient Mesopotamia. The city of Uruk and its surrounding villages. Extending into a radius of a whopping 100 kms and centered at Uruk. There was an economy of scale that manufactured jars, ceramics, and luxury items. The manufactured jewelry and inlaid woods were brought from as far away as Hitti in the West and Medea to the East. Economies of scale are a reflection of complex societies, specialization, and stratification. and they have been with us since the dawn of written history.
The toaster guy should read his history to discover where his deconstructive efforts can have some value instead of such misleading idealism that slams economies of scale.
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I heard this story on the radio before the book came out in hardcover last year (I think), and what I got out of it was simply that inventions we take for granted are not easy to produce in their original form. As someone who is all thumbs and can mostly relate to machines as a means to an end rather than anything to actually engage with, I thought it made an interesting half hour on the radio. This is the one where the guy even tries to make his own metal, right?
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Lunar07 wrote:So, no you are not wrong...
I know I'm not wrong. I was just humoring you and your silly tirade.

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LOOOOOOOOOL you really are someone who is so child-like. I bet you did not understand a word of what I said. It just flowed over your vain head. This is the problem with so-called progressives like you: you toy with ideas and associate importance to them to hide yourself from the vanity of your empty life EXACTLY like that web site you have in your signature- while all you are is just a child-like selfish character who lacks any tact. I dare you to go buy the book Tim. Then go out and discuss it with your brethrens of bullsh*t and nonsense. Because that is what you are all about: You are worth $19.95 of worthless self-important so-called critique LOOOOOOOOOOOL
VANITY and self-righteous bombasity shines in every word you write. But you already know that!
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Lunar07 wrote:So, no you are not wrong...
I know I'm not wrong. I was just humoring you and your silly tirade.

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Lunar07 wrote:you really are someone...
Oh c'mon, it's okay to admit you like me. :P

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Tim -
You really are a GROSS character. You really gross me out. So let us leave it at that.
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Lunar07 wrote:Tim...let us leave it at that.
:lol:

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Yes Tim - Everyone knows that you are a child-like little PUPPY. You want everyone to like you. All puppies do that. It must be a reflection of your dysfunctional background. It is OK to admit the truth Tim.
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Lunar07 wrote:Yes Tim...
:lol: Bwahahaha! :lol:

Hey, somebody jacked my thread! :wink:

I still love you Lunar. :lol:

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No one hijacked your thread. We are here on a critical quest into the mind of a vain character - You :twisted: Call it a critique of the scale economy that produces vain dysfunctional characters - people with toasted minds :lol: So you admit that you are a puppy?!?
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Lunar07 wrote:Yes Tim...
:lol: Bwahahaha! :lol:

Hey, somebody jacked my thread! :wink:

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Lunar07 wrote:So you admit that you are a puppy?
Sure, why not?! Who doesn't love puppies? :lol:

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:lol:

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Lunar07,you have some serious anger issues to work out. And Tim, there is nothing wrong with capitalism and the free market economy as long as it does not involve the abuse of other people. The liberals have been co-opted with this "Capitalism is bad" campaign but it is just a pretext to subjugation of all human kind. You could say that liberals are just one brand of "usefull idiots" just like the "neo-cons" or the HItler youth. Some have been so badly brainwashed that they are actually calling for a communist style revolution and worship people like Moa tse tung or Che Guevarra without knowing the full implications of it. Yes, the "powers that be" also tried to co-opt "Occupy wall street" when it was actually wall street among other evil powers that bankrolled Obama's presidency. All the while, these same evil ruling elite are trying to mimize Ron Paul's exposure in the media because he is the only one that is a threat to them, the only one that is sane and makes sense, and the only one that is not a globalist puppet!!!!
The eager "liber-oids" mistake true capitalism for "crony capitialism" and crony capitalism is just as bad as socialism and communism. Anti trust laws are one way of avoiding this crony capitalism. But sadly they are often circumvented.
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