Has anyone filmed slow motion on super 8 without bounce?

[slashmaster]

All the slow motion super 8 footage I've ever shot has the footage rock up and down. I thought it was just because my camera wasn't that great but I've been looking at other peoples slow motion super 8 footage such as this and they have the same problem. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hjXZ2YOPoY Does anyone know a trick that can solve this?

[sciolist]

Mekel Engineering SP-1/SP-1R cameras accept Super 8 cartridges, have a pin-registered film transport, and can run at any speed between 10 and 250 frames per second with a standard deviation of .0002 inches frame to frame. The trick is to find one since only 110 were made.

[slashmaster]

Mekel Engineering SP-1/SP-1R cameras accept Super 8 cartridges, have a pin-registered film transport, and can run at any speed between 10 and 250 frames per second with a standard deviation of .0002 inches frame to frame. The trick is to find one since only 110 were made.

Nice, what's a pin-registered film transport? Does that mean pins lock down in sprocket holes while the claw backs up into the next sprocket hole? I didn't know 250 frames per second was possible with super 8.

[sciolist]

Nice, what's a pin-registered film transport? Does that mean pins lock down in sprocket holes while the claw backs up into the next sprocket hole? I didn't know 250 frames per second was possible with super 8.

A pin-registered film transport is designed to give greater stability and improved image sharpness. A single fixed registration pin is used in the Mekel SP-1/SP-1R, with the film lifted off the pin by a cam. The camera is capable of running at a speed of 300 frames per second, but 250 frames per second is the maximum speed recommended by the manufacturer.

[slashmaster]

Nice, what's a pin-registered film transport? Does that mean pins lock down in sprocket holes while the claw backs up into the next sprocket hole? I didn't know 250 frames per second was possible with super 8.

A pin-registered film transport is designed to give greater stability and improved image sharpness. A single fixed registration pin is used in the Mekel SP-1/SP-1R, with the film lifted off the pin by a cam. The camera is capable of running at a speed of 300 frames per second, but 250 frames per second is the maximum speed recommended by the manufacturer.

I see! a cam is how it works. Thanks Sciolist.

[71er]

I don't see the footage on youtube being slow motion. When you look at the fumes left by the rocked close to the ground you see that they are moving at a quite normal speed.
I have filmed slow motion myself with a Nizo 6080 and got a steady image. I think the problems with the Kodak Super 8 cartridge are completely overrated. I have seen kilometers of old Super 8 footage and no jitter.

[slashmaster]

I don't see the footage on youtube being slow motion. When you look at the fumes left by the rocked close to the ground you see that they are moving at a quite normal speed.
I have filmed slow motion myself with a Nizo 6080 and got a steady image. I think the problems with the Kodak Super 8 cartridge are completely overrated. I have seen kilometers of old Super 8 footage and no jitter.

When you click on "Show More" it says he ran the camera fast so it would play at half speed. So if he played it at 18 then he recorded it at 36. It looks to me about right, model rockets go up real fast ya know.

[Patrick]

A number of times, Ive shot at 54 fps with my Canon 1014E and never got any 'bounce.' It always turns out quite steady. Actually, you can see a sample of my slow motion footage (of pedestrians walking in an outdoor mall) in the Pulse Of Life film which can be found somewhere on this site.

[slashmaster]

A number of times, Ive shot at 54 fps with my Canon 1014E and never got any 'bounce.' It always turns out quite steady. Actually, you can see a sample of my slow motion footage (of pedestrians walking in an outdoor mall) in the Pulse Of Life film which can be found somewhere on this site.

NIce! Does it leave the first couple of frames or last couple of frames of the scene overexposed because the motor was accelerating up to speed?

[Patrick]

Does it leave the first couple of frames or last couple of frames of the scene overexposed because the motor was accelerating up to speed?

Hmmm...Ive never noticed that during projection. I'd have to examine the footage frame by frame just to be sure.

[slashmaster]

Does it leave the first couple of frames or last couple of frames of the scene overexposed because the motor was accelerating up to speed?

Hmmm...Ive never noticed that during projection. I'd have to examine the footage frame by frame just to be sure.

Is this a camera where you can slam it from 24 to 54 (or 18 to 54) instantly? Or do you have to stop, flick the switch and start up again?

[Patrick]

Is this a camera where you can slam it from 24 to 54 (or 18 to 54) instantly? Or do you have to stop, flick the switch and start up again?

It has options for both. But Ive never used the instant slow motion option where you suddenly change from 18 / 24 to 54 fps. I just start filming at 54 and end at 54.

[slashmaster]

Is this a camera where you can slam it from 24 to 54 (or 18 to 54) instantly? Or do you have to stop, flick the switch and start up again?

It has options for both. But Ive never used the instant slow motion option where you suddenly change from 18 / 24 to 54 fps. I just start filming at 54 and end at 54.

I wish I had a camera that could do that. Where is the control that instantly increases the speed? Is it a button on the side? Anyone know what other cameras of any small gauge film does this?

[BAC]

Is this a camera where you can slam it from 24 to 54 (or 18 to 54) instantly? Or do you have to stop, flick the switch and start up again?

It has options for both. But Ive never used the instant slow motion option where you suddenly change from 18 / 24 to 54 fps. I just start filming at 54 and end at 54.

I wish I had a camera that could do that. Where is the control that instantly increases the speed? Is it a button on the side? Anyone know what other cameras of any small gauge film does this?

The Bolex 155 and 160 both have a button that boosts the speed to 32 and 36 fps respectively.

[carllooper]

Is this a camera where you can slam it from 24 to 54 (or 18 to 54) instantly? Or do you have to stop, flick the switch and start up again?

It has options for both. But Ive never used the instant slow motion option where you suddenly change from 18 / 24 to 54 fps. I just start filming at 54 and end at 54.

I wish I had a camera that could do that. Where is the control that instantly increases the speed? Is it a button on the side? Anyone know what other cameras of any small gauge film does this?

The Leicina Special (Super8) can operate at 54 fps. I've never tried altering the speed while shooting. I'd be worried about jamming the film ... although that's probably entirely baseless.

Carl