nuit blanche anyone?

[vidwerk]

Tonight is the annual "nuitblanche" festival in Toronto.
http://scotiabanknuitblanche.com/
I'll be out in full force tonight with my shutterless Nizo and some 500T.
Anyone else checking out some of the installations?

vidwerk.

[Louis Li]

a shutterless nizo? haha
whats the outcome of your images? blurry vertical lines?

[Rick Palidwor]

a shutterless nizo? haha
whats the outcome of your images? blurry vertical lines?

Here are some examples of time-exposures from a Nizo.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=1 ... =688231581

haha
Rick

[richard p. t.]

They are time exposures rick (and very nice) not shutterless. The shutter is still in play when doing time exposures, thus preventing the blur when the frame is actually pulled down and the film advanced by the claw.

[Rick Palidwor]

They are time exposures rick (and very nice) not shutterless. The shutter is still in play when doing time exposures, thus preventing the blur when the frame is actually pulled down and the film advanced by the claw.

Yes I know, that's why I called them time-exposures. I was presuming this is what Vidwerk meant when referring to his Nizo. Presumptuous on my part, I admit, but I have seen lots of people here confuse the two. Maybe Vidwerk can clear that up for us.

For some shutterless stills, see here:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=1 ... =688231581
(An admittedly unrepresentative sample as I am intentionally jittering the camera when I take these, trying to create patters within a frame.)

Rick

[reflex]

a shutterless nizo? haha
whats the outcome of your images? blurry vertical lines?

Under shooting conditions like these? Ethereal and quite beautiful footage, probably. It's an effective way to tease an image out of extremely low light scenes. Remember that film pulldown isn't constant speed - the film is stationary at every frame, so it'll preserve image registration. It sure as hell won't be a pristine frame, but that's part of the idea.

You obviously need to push the limits of your gear a bit more, dude. ;)

[themagickite]

you could have a shutterless camera running under a strobe light. probably not worth the effort, but could probably be used for some interesting effects.

[richard p. t.]

They are time exposures rick (and very nice) not shutterless. The shutter is still in play when doing time exposures, thus preventing the blur when the frame is actually pulled down and the film advanced by the claw.

Yes I know, that's why I called them time-exposures. I was presuming this is what Vidwerk meant when referring to his Nizo. Presumptuous on my part, I admit, but I have seen lots of people here confuse the two. Maybe Vidwerk can clear that up for us.

For some shutterless stills, see here:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=1 ... =688231581
(An admittedly unrepresentative sample as I am intentionally jittering the camera when I take these, trying to create patters within a frame.)

Rick

Rick, very nice shutterless stills there. I watched the clip as well. You produced some fascinating and beautiful material there. If you don't mind me saying so, I think the MTV style editing has subordinated the potential of the footage to the music, making the material 'accessable' but missing the oportunity to let the material speak. Was it intended as a music clip, or a film. Personally I think the music and the editing (which is subordinate to it) is a barrier, like you didn't trust the technique enough to let us wollow in and be fascinated by it alone. Just my two cents.
cheers,
Richard

[Nicholas Kovats]

Vidwerk.

My 2 minute Super 8 film "kis angyal" just finished projecting at 1330 Queen Street West at the Cafe Taste as part of Nuit Blanche.

I have a super 8 work from 1994 whereas I utilized my Leicina Special timed exposure feature via the intervalometer to shoot off 3 sec exposures per frame of fireworks and bike courier punk bands.

I then slowed the projection playback rate to 4 FPS to emphasize the resultant "ghost" or "Francis Bacon" effect. One drummer came out quite surreal in time exposure closeup with his neck veins popping amidst the swirling slightly under exposed 40 ASA b/w grain.

In a typical 3 sec time exposure the drummer would have pivoted slightly in his seat left. center and right. The three separate movements converged into what I call Francis Bacon ghosts w/ bulging neck veins .

If your interested I aim to start a Super 8 film collective in my Parkdale neighrbourhood sometime soon.

Your mission if you should accept...

...help addict people to this awesome little format.

Cheers!

Nicholas

[quote="vidwerk"]Tonight is the annual "nuitblanche" festival in Toronto.
http://scotiabanknuitblanche.com/
I'll be out in full force tonight with my shutterless Nizo and some 500T.
Anyone else checking out some of the installations?

vidwerk.[/quot

[vidwerk]

Yes I know, that's why I called them time-exposures. I was presuming this is what Vidwerk meant when referring to his Nizo. Presumptuous on my part, I admit, but I have seen lots of people here confuse the two. Maybe Vidwerk can clear that up for us.

Rick, you are correct. Although some people do indeed confuse the two, my camera does have the entire shutter system removed.

My 2 minute Super 8 film "kis angyal" just finished projecting at 1330 Queen Street West at the Cafe Taste as part of Nuit Blanche.

Sorry I missed it. If I would have know earlier, I definitely would have dropped by. I got into the whole thing kinda late with not much time to plan. Something to be corrected for next years event.
The collective sounds great. There is certainly enough of us here in T.O. Count me in.

The night turned out to be very long. I walked all over the city from about 9pm to 6am. I was amazed at the amount of people around Trinity Bellwoods. After gorging on Chinese food at 4am, we worked our way slowly up to old Bay station, where we ended our jouney.
I found it very difficult to shoot with multiple formats with all the stuff I was carrying. Next time I have to stick with just one and leave the beer cans at home. I'll see how this footage turns out.
I'm going back to bed. Must sleep more.

vidwerk.

[Nicholas Kovats]

Vidwerk.

That unused Bay street subway station sounded so cool but we never got past Bathurst and Queen. Were you able to get some shots? If so what asa did you expose at and for how long per frame?

Nicholas

[Rick Palidwor]

Rick, very nice shutterless stills there. I watched the clip as well. You produced some fascinating and beautiful material there. If you don't mind me saying so, I think the MTV style editing has subordinated the potential of the footage to the music, making the material 'accessable' but missing the oportunity to let the material speak. Was it intended as a music clip, or a film. Personally I think the music and the editing (which is subordinate to it) is a barrier, like you didn't trust the technique enough to let us wollow in and be fascinated by it alone. Just my two cents.
cheers,
Richard

Your two cents are appreciated, but obviously I was making a different movie than the one you were looking for, though I know what you are saying. For that piece, Hi Lights, most of my shots were very short - often I was just finishing roll ends from students where I work, and they were accumulated over time. IOW, I didn't conceive of a particular movie and then go do it. I was playing with scraps and experiments.

I have done a shutterless piece which is all about wollowing in it. I'll have to get that on-line.

Rick

[Rick Palidwor]

my camera does have the entire shutter system removed.
vidwerk.

Did you remove it yourself? Was it difficult? Did it damage any of the other functions?
Rick

[mattias]

you could have a shutterless camera running under a strobe light. probably not worth the effort, but could probably be used for some interesting effects.

why shutterless then? :-) i assume you mean a strobe synced to the pulldown, which would yield the exact same result as doing it with a shutter. if you mean a random flashing strobe the difference will be that with a shutter you get random black frames and without one you get random vertical jumpiness of the image.

/matt

[vidwerk]

Vidwerk.

That unused Bay street subway station sounded so cool but we never got past Bathurst and Queen. Were you able to get some shots? If so what asa did you expose at and for how long per frame?

Nicholas

Old Bay station was very dark inside. There were no fluorescent lights,
only Incandescent, and very sparse and dim. As a result, I only took shots with my 35mm. The exposure times based on the available light would have been about 1 sec. I kind of regret it now, but at the time I was very tired from all the walking, and I would have had to shoot for quite a while to get any decent length of footage.

Did you remove it yourself? Was it difficult? Did it damage any of the other functions?
Rick

I did remove it myself. Was a bit difficult with all the wires connected to the lens. I followed mitch's suggestion about using a stack of VHS cassettes to prop up the camera body away from the lens. I didn't damage anything else in the process. The whole reason I did this was because the camera's aperture was broken to begin with. When I first bought the camera, the angled mirror had fallen off inside the camera and lodged itself in the variable shutter lever. I managed to glue the mirror back into place with tweezers only to discover the iris was dead and wide open, so I figured why not. I've shot with it shutterless once before with VNF, look great. I pick up my 500T from NCL in a couple of days. Should be interesting.

vidwerk.