Kahl black and white stocks

Post by **Muckymuck** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:11 am

Has anyone used any of the Kahl black and white stocks? Now that Kahl's UT18 (Agfa RSX-II 50 ISO) colour reversal film is easy to get (from Super 8 France) and is now a successful offering (quick processing, nice look etc) it looks like Kahl films may become more popular.

Has anyone tried any of them? There's a 10 ISO black and white reversal, plus 100 and 400 ISO black and white negatives plus a 200 ISO black and white reversal which is probably Tri-X.

I understand ORWO (Filmotec GmbH) still make black and white negative stocks for the cinema in 35mm and 16mm. Does anyone know who makes the Kahl raw stock?

Post by aj » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:04 am

Muckymuck wrote: I understand ORWO (Filmotec GmbH) still make black and white negative stocks for the cinema in 35mm and 16mm. Does anyone know who makes the Kahl raw stock?

They buy stock from who has some and Kahl have a perforator themselves. As I understood in the past. That is part of the trouble with inconsistent quality there. Beside poor processing with hairs or scratches and slow inadequate communications.

Post by **fogo** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:30 am

Hi Muckymuck,

I tried to raise some of these issues in a thread a while back. Check out the info sheets at filmotec.de (ORWO) and do a cross ref with Kahl's site, makes for interesting reading...you could of course just ask the guy directly.....

Ade

Post by **Carlos 8mm** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:59 am

Muckymuck wrote: Has anyone tried any of them? There's a 10 ISO black and white reversal, plus 100 and 400 ISO black and white negatives plus a 200 ISO black and white reversal which is probably Tri-X.

I tried these filmstocks and I really love them!!

Orwo UN 54 ISO 64/100 is a very fine grain stock and Orwo N74 ISO 400 have an amazing look, finer grain than the old Tri- X 7278 developed with D-76.

I think that Kahl 200 B&W reversal is the same ORWO UN 54 ISO 64/100 negative film. Is NOT Tri-X. It can be exposed and processed as reversal film. Wittner K. sells UN 54 as an ISO 125 B&W reversal film.

I would like to shoot some more of these films, but the high value of Euro makes it prohibitive to me...

Post by **Carlos 8mm** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:18 am

fogo wrote:Hi Muckymuck,
Check out the info sheets at filmotec.de (ORWO) and do a cross ref with Kahl's site, makes for interesting reading...you could of course just ask the guy directly.....
Ade

Nah, KahlÃ‚Â´s guys are very discreets when you ask for information about their filmstocks. They only says "ItÃ‚Â´s a made-in-Germany product".

Post by **mr8mm** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 6:53 pm

Kahl's reversal B/W stock is Filmotec(ORWO) UN54. The neg stocks also come from Filmotec. When Orwo was shutting down after the wall came down they sold the perforating equipmet to KAHL. A decision they now regret. Filmotec can still produce 16mm perf'ed film stocks but not N8 and DS8 perf'd stocks. Kahl also got all the 7,5 meter and 30 meter cans and spools. So, if you want N8 or DS8 you must go to KAHL. I am surprised that Super 8 france does not offer the B/W films. I used to buy UN54 in 305meter spools and offer UN54 in N8 and DS8 as Super cine-X but the Euro Dollar exchange rate is so terrible that I would have to sell a UN54 7,5 meter spool for $20.00 or more to brake even.

John S.

Post by **imaxfan** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 8:22 pm

Filmotec has still the perforator for 4xS8, as far as I know. What they don't have, is the splitter. But there are still some places in the world, where you can have this pre-product splitted.

Post by aj » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:22 pm

imaxfan wrote:Filmotec has still the perforator for 4xS8, as far as I know. What they don't have, is the splitter. But there are still some places in the world, where you can have this pre-product splitted.

I specifically asked some three years ago. And a ORWO person clearly stated that they could not produce S8 as they no longer had a perforator for that.

Post by **imaxfan** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:28 pm

Please look at

http://www.filmotec.de/Dienstleistungen ... erung.html

Post by aj » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:45 pm

The text is old and nobody checked at the site revamp, try and order some.

Why would they tell to have sold it in a personal email when they actually would still have one?

Wittner has Orwo Super-8 on 60 and 300 meter rolls. Much easier shopping.

Post by **Blue Audio Visual** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:12 pm

I don't doubt that you are right AJ, but if John Schwind is right about ORWO selling their Super 8 perforator "after the wall came down", why would they have published a web page many years later referring to their ability to perf Super 8?

According to what I can see on web.archive.org, the page that imaxfan links to was first posted in early August 2003.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.filmotec.de

Compare the 2 entries - Aug 01 2003, Aug 03 2003. Click on the link to the left "Dienstleistungen", then on the link "Konfektionierung von Filmmaterialien und Folien".

A bit of a mystery then....

Post by **imaxfan** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 10:42 pm

All I can say is, this text didn't show up on their webside some years ago. And in 1998 (ca.) they still had a perforator, when I tried to buy one. I was anxious that the important machine (and the tools) could be thrown away. But they never called back as they promised, and I've got severe space problems at the same time, so I had to refrain from the idea and didn't call them again. I've thought always, that they decided to keep the machine for them self, what would be okay for me too.

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