Kodak's current view on Vision 2 50D and Ektachrome 100D?
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Kodak's current view on Vision 2 50D and Ektachrome 100D?
Anyone got any news from Kodak about whether they're going to release Vision 2 50D or/and Ektachrome 100D in super 8 carts yet? I read they're considering the possibility but there is no news from recently.
About an month ago, I sent an email to someone in the MP division with some feedback on how great the 100D looks in S8 and what not. But the response for releasing it, swappin it, or releasing 50D sounded like a big "NO" at the moment. Not that they are against it, it's just not a good corperate decision to futts around with something like S8 much further right now.
But at least you can still shoot those stocks if you really want to. I ordered some S8 50D from pro8mm. If it runs ok, $30 with processing is not really any different than shooting Kodak packaged neg. I'll keep my fingers crossed that the 100D becomes a little more available and cheaper in the States sometime soon.
But at least you can still shoot those stocks if you really want to. I ordered some S8 50D from pro8mm. If it runs ok, $30 with processing is not really any different than shooting Kodak packaged neg. I'll keep my fingers crossed that the 100D becomes a little more available and cheaper in the States sometime soon.
100D and Vision 3 please
Thought I'd revive this one as there's a post on another forum with a rather ambiguous heading "Kodak release Ektachrome 100D already!" with no further explanation as to whether this is a fact or an imperative.
Does anyone know whether the deal with Wittner came to fruition? It would be nice to be able to buy this at the same price and with the same convenience as Ektachrome 64T.
Does anyone know whether the deal with Wittner came to fruition? It would be nice to be able to buy this at the same price and with the same convenience as Ektachrome 64T.
When I was in the Army we would often get told or hear rumors we would be going here or there on a certain date, but things would often change. Even if you had written orders, they could often change or be canceled altogether.
This led to a saying that went something like ‘you can’t guarantee when you’ll be home until you are actually home’
I think this pretty much works for most things in life.
Even if Kodak announced tomorrow that they were going to release Ektachrome 100D or Vision 2 50D in super8, I wouldn’t believe it until I had a cart in my hand.
This led to a saying that went something like ‘you can’t guarantee when you’ll be home until you are actually home’
I think this pretty much works for most things in life.
Even if Kodak announced tomorrow that they were going to release Ektachrome 100D or Vision 2 50D in super8, I wouldn’t believe it until I had a cart in my hand.
Well that's interesting....I was under the impression that Kodak made the offer "order $25,000 worth of it and we'll release it"....Wittner accepted...and Kodak backed out...mr8mm wrote:Kodak turned down Wittner's offer. At this time there is no chance that Kodak will release 100D in Super 8.
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I hate to be a wet blanket, but there's a technical reason why Kodak will probably never release 100D, nor provide it for anyone else.
When it comes to how they would speed-notch it, the problems with 100D dwarf those of 64T.
Here's why (and it's the same problem Plus-X has):
Ektachrome 100D is ASA 100, of course. But there's no separate ASA 100 speed notch. Well, there is, but it's ASA 100 tungsten, with a corresponding ASA 64 daylight, at the same speed-notch size. That's all she wrote in the super 8 system.
The problem with this is that in order to rate the film at ASA 100 daylight, Kodak must use the ASA 160 tungsten notch size. It's the only way cameras will set their meters to ASA 100 daylight, without the 85 filter in the way.
But in order to do this, the film cartridge cannot have a filter notch. That's because the SMPTE-166 standard dictates that when a speed notch is the 160T size, meters will read film at ASA 100 only if the filter pin is depressed.
Again, that's the only way exposure meters will rate film at ASA 100 daylight. There's no other way at all.
That's ok for 100D because you don't want the 85 filter, but the problem is that not all cameras are SMPTE 166 compliant. Many cameras-- especially newer XL ones, will read the ASA 160T/100D speed notch at ASA 160, no matter what position the filter pin is in.
If they cut the speed-notch at ASA 100 tungsten-- the next lower size-- the 85 filter will be in the way. If they make the filter pin indice notchless (they have to, really) then the SMPTE standard will automatically set the meter to ASA 64 at that same notch size. If they left a filter notch in the cartridge, and let you choose, many people would leave the filter switch at 'daylight,' thus ruining the film.... and many cameras don't give you the easy choice...
It's a dilemma...
So-- the problem for Kodak is that if they release E100D, they'll have to speed notch it at 160T. But those non-SMPTE compliant cameras will underexpose the stock by 2/3 of an f/stop. That's not good. At least with E64T, cameras will-- at worst-- overexpose the film, which is preferable. There's a huge number of non-SMPTE XL cameras around, too.
So, non-traditional film speeds are a headache. But 64T is a more manageable one, at least when it comes to automatic cameras. Besides all the other criteria they will consider about 100D, the speed-notch problem effectively eliminates most general consumer use of the film.
When it comes to how they would speed-notch it, the problems with 100D dwarf those of 64T.
Here's why (and it's the same problem Plus-X has):
Ektachrome 100D is ASA 100, of course. But there's no separate ASA 100 speed notch. Well, there is, but it's ASA 100 tungsten, with a corresponding ASA 64 daylight, at the same speed-notch size. That's all she wrote in the super 8 system.
The problem with this is that in order to rate the film at ASA 100 daylight, Kodak must use the ASA 160 tungsten notch size. It's the only way cameras will set their meters to ASA 100 daylight, without the 85 filter in the way.
But in order to do this, the film cartridge cannot have a filter notch. That's because the SMPTE-166 standard dictates that when a speed notch is the 160T size, meters will read film at ASA 100 only if the filter pin is depressed.
Again, that's the only way exposure meters will rate film at ASA 100 daylight. There's no other way at all.
That's ok for 100D because you don't want the 85 filter, but the problem is that not all cameras are SMPTE 166 compliant. Many cameras-- especially newer XL ones, will read the ASA 160T/100D speed notch at ASA 160, no matter what position the filter pin is in.
If they cut the speed-notch at ASA 100 tungsten-- the next lower size-- the 85 filter will be in the way. If they make the filter pin indice notchless (they have to, really) then the SMPTE standard will automatically set the meter to ASA 64 at that same notch size. If they left a filter notch in the cartridge, and let you choose, many people would leave the filter switch at 'daylight,' thus ruining the film.... and many cameras don't give you the easy choice...
It's a dilemma...
So-- the problem for Kodak is that if they release E100D, they'll have to speed notch it at 160T. But those non-SMPTE compliant cameras will underexpose the stock by 2/3 of an f/stop. That's not good. At least with E64T, cameras will-- at worst-- overexpose the film, which is preferable. There's a huge number of non-SMPTE XL cameras around, too.
So, non-traditional film speeds are a headache. But 64T is a more manageable one, at least when it comes to automatic cameras. Besides all the other criteria they will consider about 100D, the speed-notch problem effectively eliminates most general consumer use of the film.
I was going to say that the old Ektachrome 160 was 160 artificial, 100 daylight...so you could just use that notch and make sure the filter is not engaged.
Works fine for me...certainly works with the Elmo Super 110 and Nizo S560.
The problem is that Kodak are not at all sure that there is a sufficient market for *two* colour reversal films. If 100D is released and the total market for super 8 colour reversal is divided more or less equally between 100D and 64T, then neither product will actually sell in sufficient numbers to justify their place in Kodak's catalogue...at least that's the official line and as much as I wish it weren't so....it makes sense...
Works fine for me...certainly works with the Elmo Super 110 and Nizo S560.
The problem is that Kodak are not at all sure that there is a sufficient market for *two* colour reversal films. If 100D is released and the total market for super 8 colour reversal is divided more or less equally between 100D and 64T, then neither product will actually sell in sufficient numbers to justify their place in Kodak's catalogue...at least that's the official line and as much as I wish it weren't so....it makes sense...
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yeah, the 160t/100d notch will work fine. we've been over this a million times and it seems like jim doesn't have a camera that reads the filter notch, which does present a problem, but the rest of us will get the correct reading of 100d just as we would with v2 200t if it was notched as 160t.
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