Nizo 6080 questions

[Lunar07]

I have couple of questions on the Nizo 6080 for whoever dealt with this camera:
1. What is the difference between manual release cable and the Electromagnetic remote release cable? The camera manual does not explain it well at all?
2. I have never tried running sound cartridges in the camera. Is the 6080 capable of running sound cartridges at other than 18 FPS speeds (24, 25 etc...)?

[Maurizio Di Cintio]

Hi, Lunar.
There should be no difference between the two sockets, though I have never used the manual release cable; I guess this one triggers some sort of inner micro switch which enables film transport motor, capstan motor and several solenoids to operate. It couldn't otherwise since this sort of cable was originally developed for mech still cameras and therefore there's nothing electric/electronic in it, as opposed to activating the Nizo 6080 which is first of all a totally electronic matter,

The 6080 can run sound cartridges at each and every speed as it runs sound ones, from 9 to 54 fps, which is really cool, I think.

Enjoy.

Maurizio

[Lunar07]

Hi, Lunar.
There should be no difference between the two sockets, though I have never used the manual release cable; I guess this one triggers some sort of inner micro switch which enables film transport motor, capstan motor and several solenoids to operate. It couldn't otherwise since this sort of cable was originally developed for mech still cameras and therefore there's nothing electric/electronic in it, as opposed to activating the Nizo 6080 which is first of all a totally electronic matter,

The 6080 can run sound cartridges at each and every speed as it runs sound ones, from 9 to 54 fps, which is really cool, I think.

Enjoy.

Maurizio

Thanks a lot Maurizio!
The 6080 I have came with a very long cable with a push button at its end. I am assuming that this goes into the electromagnetic cable socket.
Yes it is cool that the 6080 can run a sound cartridge at all speeds. Now where are the 200' feet cartridges when you need them. Last year, someone offered me 20 200' cartridges for $1 each. I declined since I thought I'll never have use for them.

One more question for you, just to be sure. My 6080 came with a battery holder for 6 1.5 V AA size batteries. Now this is all fine. I am just wondering: Is the NC acc. box different from the regular battery holder? I have never used the NC acc box and the charger (I do not have them), and just wanted to have some info about them.

[Lucas Lightfeat]

Hi Lunar,

A small correction, but an important one - your camera came with a battery compartment for 6x 1.2 volt batteries - preferably NiMH. If you use normal 1.5 non rechargeable batteries, your light meter will give you wrong readings. The NC batt box means Nickel Cadmium, which was the 1.2 volt rechargeable of the day, but they have been superceded by Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) technology, so use 6x NiMH 1.2 batterries with at least 1300 mAH of charge.

Lucas

[Lunar07]

Hi Lunar,

A small correction, but an important one - your camera came with a battery compartment for 6x 1.2 volt batteries - preferably NiMH. If you use normal 1.5 non rechargeable batteries, your light meter will give you wrong readings. The NC batt box means Nickel Cadmium, which was the 1.2 volt rechargeable of the day, but they have been superceded by Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) technology, so use 6x NiMH 1.2 batterries with at least 1300 mAH of charge.

Lucas

Thanks for the correction Lucas! I should be careful in how I word things. I meant that the Battery Holder holds 6 AA 1.5 V regular batteries (So it looks like a regular holder), but the batteries I use are NiMH 1.2V re-chargeable batteries rated at 1800 mAH of charge that I get from Radio Shack.

[Lunar07]

Hi Lunar,

A small correction, but an important one - your camera came with a battery compartment for 6x 1.2 volt batteries - preferably NiMH. If you use normal 1.5 non rechargeable batteries, your light meter will give you wrong readings. The NC batt box means Nickel Cadmium, which was the 1.2 volt rechargeable of the day, but they have been superceded by Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) technology, so use 6x NiMH 1.2 batterries with at least 1300 mAH of charge.

Lucas

Lucas -
Out of curiousity - the battery holder I have for the Nizo 6080 has a label on it. The label states that "Manganese - Alkaline Batteries are Recommended." Do you have any idea why would this label be on it? Probably because the holder is for another Nizo model orignally?

[Lucas Lightfeat]

Probably, that's why. Either way - ignore it!

By the way - I didn't mean to come over quite so patronising on my reply to the 16:9 post. It's just that, like many film-makers, I too tend to get stuck into a load of technical details that are irrelevant to good film-making whilst paying less heed to the fundamentals, such as acting and script.

Best wishes

Lucas

[Lunar07]

Probably, that's why. Either way - ignore it!

By the way - I didn't mean to come over quite so patronising on my reply to the 16:9 post.

No, not at all! I did not take it this way. You come across as someone with a certain passion with what you do And I do have respect for people like that. I was planning to reply to your reply in the other thread. I'll do that later this evening.

[Lunar07]

Hi Lunar,

A small correction, but an important one - your camera came with a battery compartment for 6x 1.2 volt batteries - preferably NiMH. If you use normal 1.5 non rechargeable batteries, your light meter will give you wrong readings. The NC batt box means Nickel Cadmium, which was the 1.2 volt rechargeable of the day, but they have been superceded by Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) technology, so use 6x NiMH 1.2 batterries with at least 1300 mAH of charge.

Lucas

Lucas -
Although I use the Radio Shack NiMH 1.2 V batteries, and just to see what kind of response I'll get; I asked today everyone who is selling a Nizo 6080 on eBay what kind of batteries should we use in the battery holder. Number of sellers I asked = 8
Response I got from all of them without an exception was that the kind of batteries is regular Alkaline 6 AA size 1.5 volt batteries.
What is the story here?

[Maurizio Di Cintio]

Theoretically cells which output a 1.5 x 6 voltage should be avoided; this is what is stated on the orginal manual.

But several people use them all the same (included me). In most cases the camera will work fine (exposurewise too) since a diode between the main switch and the electronic circuit absorbs the excess voltage BUT in some cases there might be tolerances (even on the long term).

My adventure: I shot some 20 rolls of K40 using alkaline batteries, after a certain time, the camera started to give me troubles I had never previously experienced: it wouldn't activate unless I insisted several times with the main switch.

The technician in Germany had to replace several components related to power supply section: Also the iris servomotor had to be replaced, so be careful...

One more thing: the ORIGINAL rechargeable battery box was sealed and had no battery diagram on its side. True it is it could be opened (with force) to replace the elements but then one didn't need to open it again for the entire life of the cells, as recharging could (and can) be performed leaving the cells inside; in fact the origianl power box features a special socket to link to the original charger. It was even possible to leave the pack inside the camera handle and connect the plug from the charger to a socket placed on the right hand side of the handle itself.

THerefore my suggestion is: feel free to use boxes which were meant to take batteries (thet were designed for other cameras like the 800 model which takes alkaline 1.5 batteries), but use rechargeable elements of whatever substance you prefer, provided they output 1.2 Volts per each. To recharge them, empty the pack and put the batteries into a common recharger.

My tuppence.

Maurizio

[Lunar07]

THerefore my suggestion is: feel free to use boxes which were meant to take batteries (thet were designed for other cameras like the 800 model which takes alkaline 1.5 batteries),

Actually the box I have that came with the Nizo 6080, have a label on it stating that Alkaline Manganese Batteries (1.5 V) recommended. I believe now that this box is meant for an S-series camera

but use rechargeable elements of whatever substance you prefer, provided they output 1.2 Volts per each. To recharge them, empty the pack and put the batteries into a common recharger.

I have the original old brochure of the 6080 along with the 801 Macro. In the brochure it is stated that the 6080 takes NiCd acc, while the 801 Macro takes 6 AA 1.5 alkaline batteries. It was this disctinction that made me check with the local Radio shack here who were helpful and turned my attention that NiCd is 1.2 V so it made sense to use NiMH as they suggested, *regardless* of what this battery box that came with my camera suggested. I am glad I lucked out on this. However, I was not convinced of what was going on till the discussion in this thread.
So my applause to you and Lucas

[Maurizio Di Cintio]

Yeah, it must be a box meant for use on S series cameras using non-rechargeable batteries. In this case it is just common sense to use Alkaline batteries instead of the older conventional batteries (zinc and carbon?), just for duration sake.

If Nihm cells output 1.2 V each, then go for them.

Happy filming

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. In this case it is just common sense to use Alkaline batteries instead of the older conventional batteries (zinc and carbon?), just for duration sake.

Just the usual 2 bits:

Main reason for the advice to use alkaline cells in almost any battery powered older item is, that 20+ years ago the cheaper conventional cells leaked almost every time when decharged in the battery container, thus ruining things.

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[Lunar07]

. In this case it is just common sense to use Alkaline batteries instead of the older conventional batteries (zinc and carbon?), just for duration sake.

Just the usual 2 bits:

Main reason for the advice to use alkaline cells in almost any battery powered older item is, that 20+ years ago the cheaper conventional cells leaked almost every time when decharged in the battery container, thus ruining things.

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That is some cover there
We have established here that 1.2 V AA size rechargeable batteries should be used with Nizo 6080. But your 2 bits above suggest that it is OK to use rechargeable 1.2 V batteries with every camera that can use 6 AA alkaline 1.5 V batteries. For example: is it ok to use 1.2 V AA size rechargeable batteries with the Nizo 801 or 801 Macro?

[Lucas Lightfeat]

Hi Lunar,

Some cameras will over or under expose with the wrong voltage. Even if they don't, it's a good idea to use the correct voltage. Any camera will work with either, but I would suggest using the correct type always. As far as I remember, the 801 and 801 macro used 1.5v normal batteries, whereas the 6080 uses eithe NiCd or NiMh 1.2v rechargeables, as already discussed.