which cameras do i sell

andy · Post by **andy** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 12:25 pm

Hi, if i see a right camera and the price is ok i will buy it, trouble is i own 2 canon 514xls, 2 x 814xls, 2 x 1014xls
3 x 310 xl,a 514 xl , leicina super, leicina special, beaulieu 4008 zm and zm4 and 5008s.........and a couple of small eumigs and canons.
Which of the list cameras would you advise i keep,and which should i think about selling??
I will keep the leicina special and zm4 and a 1014xls... DO i keep both 1014xls in case the other breaksdown, think i will regret anything i sell...any advice would be welcome

Post by **Mr_Floppy** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:19 pm

Dunno,

But....

If you decide to sell one of the Canon 1014XLS, please let me know!

Mr Floppy

Post by **Lucas Lightfeat** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:28 pm

Well, that's a whole lot of cameras. I've never heard of anyone owning quite that many. Why would you need so many cameras?

Sell the Leicina Super, as you have a Special, which is far superior. Why would you EVER use the Super?

Sell the 814XLs, as you also have little to no use for them, but they're nice cameras for someone else to make films with

I'd sell everything but the Leicina Special, Beaulieu 4008 ZM4 and both the 1014s as you seem to be a big Canon fan, and sell ALL the others - why would you ever use them? Perhaps keep a mini Eumig if you have a nice example (so many of them are knackered now)

You own all the really good NOISY cameras. Perhaps you should get them crystal converted and find or commission a Universal Blimp to silence them (if you are a sound film maker) - they really work.

My tuppence

Lucas Lightfeat on a public access computer

andy · Post by **andy** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 6:07 pm

Hi, Lucas, I started with a 318m then 514xls,814xls finally purhasing the 1014xls, the first the cameras were brought brand new.....Your input was what i had in mind, the only thing is, i cant make my mind up whether to sell a 1014xls and keep the 814xls i own from new... may keep a 310xl.. all the other cameras came along in the right condition and price...like you say, its best to let someone else make use of the cameras, especially as there really only back up cameras
. On the eumig mini note,its in as new condition and runs a treat............ will give it more thought before i decide...thanks..
will keep you posted Mr floppy...

Merlin · Post by **Merlin** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 8:41 pm

8O Quite a collection! I would love to have a 1014xls, they have really good glass.

I have a Beaulieu 7008pro, 5008s, 4008 zm4, 1008xl and Bauer 709xl.

Merlin
Shooting S8 Beaulieu Style

Post by **Lucas Lightfeat** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 9:07 pm

Hey Merlin,

Another nice collection. If you had to keep only one of your Beaulieus, which one would it be and why?

I'd really like a Beaulieu 2016, but I hardly ever see them, and when I do, they're silly money for what is really a mediocre 16mm camera. Do you know that camera?

Lucas

andy · Post by **andy** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 9:15 pm

Hi, Lucas, are you into 16mm aswell, if so, i am searching for a 15mm cmount angenieux, know anywhere i can get one..
i am in the uk...

Post by **jessh** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 9:30 pm

If you decide to sell any of those cameras let the forum know! Although being a student I don't really have much money, but I would atleast make an offer, as I would like to get my hands on an xl-s model cannon(I currently have an 814E) or a Beaulieu.

~Jess

Post by **Lucas Lightfeat** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 11:54 pm

Hi Andy,

I am "into" 16mm as well, but don't own a camera at the moment. I used to have an Arri BL, which I sold and bought my current kit. I don't knoe where to find that lens, but ebay is by far the bast place to look. Try different search criteria. There isn't a Beaulieu 2016 on the whole of ebay, as far as I can tell.

Sell your cams here first.

Lucas

ANDY · Post by **ANDY** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 12:12 am

Lucas, for the same money as a 2016 surely you can get an arri 16 st, or a bolex, whats wrong with a plain old R16, have it serviced by Bjorn and your up and running....The only problem i have found is routing out angenieux c-mount primes for my R16.....what lens would you put on your 2016?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 1:08 am

Too bad you don't have a 1014E. Because I'd love to buy one of those at a reasonable price.

Post by **Lucas Lightfeat** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 2:20 am

Hi Andy,

I'm not really looking seriously for a 16mm camera at the moment actually, as Super8 is doing me fine at this stage of my career. I do like the 2016 though. It is crystal sync and quieter than the R16, though a bit plasticy, rather like the 6008. My favourite 16mm lens is the Zeiss T* 10-100, but it's quite a bit more pricey than the angenieux 12-120. I've never owned a single prime for a cine camera, so I wouldn't be much help to you.

I am principly a drama writer/actor/director, so noisy 16mm cameras aren't too much use to me, cool as they are.

Lucas

Merlin · Post by **Merlin** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 7:36 pm

Lucas> If I could only keep one Beaulieu ? Well, the 7008pro is the "best" I guess... but you always worry about it breaking or getting scratched...even though Lexan plastic is quite strong...
The 4008 zm4 is more sturdy since its made of metal ... feels more real, weighs more, and looks like a gun !
It has variable speeds 2-80 fps (not perfectly linear but anyway) whereas the 7008pro just have some increments... (some day I`ll have to try turning up the speed from 2-80 gradually so a fast motion shot becomes a slomo shot...)
...and the 4008 can also be x-taled...
But on the other hand ... the frame and centimeter lcd:s on the 7008 really makes shooting easier... otherwise youÃ‚Â´re never really sure of how much thereÃ‚Â´s left in the mag!
I consider them equal actually, given that any internal filter is removed, lens and body matched and collimated etc etc
ArenÃ‚Â´t the lightpaths in them the same (if the internal filter in the 4008 is removed) ? There is no filter in my zm4... itÃ‚Â´s a late model with the small black declutch button.
I dunno, ItÃ‚Â´s a draw them between.

About the 2016: Yeah, I know that camera. I think itÃ‚Â´s great.
80 fps, just like the 4008 zm4 and mirror reflex, you know the rest...
Too bad itÃ‚Â´s not S16.... canÃ‚Â´t be converted either, as far as I know...
But itÃ‚Â´s x-taled...
Single pull-down is bad, but as always ... perfection costs.
IÃ‚Â´m trying to find another cheap alternative for highspeed 16mm...
I want an Arri 16SR3 Adv. (who doesnÃ‚Â´t)

Merlin

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 5:23 am

What does x-taled mean?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Feb 14, 2003 5:08 pm

"x-tal" = "crystal" as in "crystal synced", meaning: via electronics and a crystal get a camera to run at an exact speed, with a maximum deviation of 0.000001 fps