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Considered that the Kodachrome has many estimator in this forum, why we do not try all whole making something in order to prevent its from unjust end?
The destiny of a product many times is in the hands of the consumer, then we sends a strongly marks to the Kodak ... We can make 2 things, are enough little minutes and certainly it be worth while. I have already launch this initiative in Italy, but here you are many more of the Italians who use the Kodachrome, therefore if also you actively participate to this initiative the effect will be remarkablly larger.

It can work, also why there is already a precedent: many years ago the Kodak had suspended the production of film in the format 9,5mm. Then many utilizator of this format (that they are sure less than who uses the Kodachrome), made to feel their voice, sending to the Kodak protest letters. Result: The Kodak resumed the production of the film 9,5mm...

Well, the first thing that you can make it is to send a ordinary letter to the Kodak's headquarters, download and print the petition below, sign it and send it like ordinary letter to:
Eastman Kodak Company Corporate Headquarters
343 Stte Street South,
Rochester, NY 14650
(United States)


Download, print and send this letter (4KB, rtf document):
http://www.mondestremo.it/save_kodachro ... chrome.rtf


Below, the text:

Eastman Kodak Company Corporate Headquarters
343 Stte Street South,
Rochester, NY 14650
(United States)

RE: DON'T DISCONTINUE THE KODACHROME, THANKS!


Dear Kodak,

I have had news of a your "alarming" official notice: within the end of this year, you have intention to suspend the production of the glorious invertible color film Kodachrome 40, in the Super8 format.

The loss will be enormous, why beyond to the elevated qualitative characteristic that have rendered it famous (elevated resolution, extremely fine grain, saturate colors) it is the only film between all the color films (both negatives and invertible) that it guarantees also an elevated duration in the time of the images, comparable to the emulsions in b/n (than correctly conserved have an life expectancy of 100 years).
(I defy anyone to signal to me an other color film that has one duration in the time of the sort).

By right of news, every other color film (both negative and invertible, of any mark) has an clearly inferior life, the degradation (loss of density) of the colors happens already within 20 years. This means that shooting with any color film that is not Kodachrome, all the scenes, the precious memories, expose on that film will go to fade more and more until to lost they already after very little decades... And who shoot (especially in S.8 and 16mm format) from many years he know this fact, and is for this that there are hundreds of thousands of "kodachromistes" spread in the world...
- If you like to shoot an film color with a highest quality of image, from the simple film-memory of family to kinds engaged as the documentary or fiction and wished to safeguard the images (often obtained with great hard work) for a longest period of time in economic and simply way, you must compulsority use the Kodachrome -.

You have intention to "replace" the Kodachrome with one new emulsion, than assured to have the same qualities of image of the Kodachrome. But not informed to us on the duration in the time of the images impressed on this new emulsion that, being it one normal invertible film, will conserve the images for short time, to the maximum for some twenty years, - perhaps for 30- (Kodachrome, like already said, maintain the images unaltered at least the triple of the time, this thank to the particular procedure of development "owner" of this film, different from the treatment of development standard of every other invertible film, of any mark).

To stop the production of the Kodachrome is a false step that you do not have to make, could instead to optimize the production of the line of invertible films being suspended the production of some not indispensable Ektachrome, but you cannot deprive to us of the only emulsion to colors that allows us to conserve our precious images much a long in the time in simple and economic way.


Kodak, you do not deprive us of one film of reference like the Kodachrome!

Discontinue the production of the Kodachrome would be an action of "treason" in the comparisons of who, even if simple filmaker, has contributed to render thus great your name in the world ...

However you know already from hour that, in the case in which the production of the Kodachrome comes discontinued, I will not never use your Ektachrome, inferiors regarding the Kodachrome is under the qualitative profile and above all under the profile of the duration in the time of the images, but I will acquire films produced from the Fuji (in particular Velvia 50D, the only film that can boast characteristics near the Kodachrome).

Hoping that you, also in this occasion, demonstrate to know to listen to the voice of its devoted filmaker scattered for the world,

cordially I salute you.

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In adding, you can send your name and last name to: save_kodachrome@yahoo.it, your nominative will be added at the bottom to the petition (same text of over) that I will send to the Kodak as soon as I will have a sufficient number of nominative.
Important is to make both the things, above all the first!

We make to feel our voice to the Kodak, is only in this way that we can be obtained results! (I turn also to the administrator of this site, if it want to give greater visibility to this initiative, even with a link in Home Page, would be useful and appreciate thing...)

Boys make it soon, printed the text, signed and sended now, want very little time to make it, also you that are reading participates with we to save the Kodachrome from one unjust end!

I thank all you.
Poliestere 8)
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Uh... i think you're a little late... :?
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Poliestere wrote:why we do not try all whole making something in order to prevent its from unjust end?
I, as well as many others here, are with you on this, Poliestere. But this whole thing has been going on for awhile--not only the process of Kodak's discontinuation of K40, but also many efforts to turn around the decision. All in vain, unfortunately. This tragically seems to be a done deal. :(

So don't feel bad if you only get a lukewarm response to your plea. Some here could give a damn about the stock, but a lot of the folks are just frustrated, angry, and simply burned-out on the subject of K40's demise. I'll sign your new petition but talk to film_idaho--he still might be up for a serious fight on this. SOK. :twisted:

Good luck.

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Force boys, we do not give ourselves already for beaten before beginning... We try, what us cost? We are still in time in order to make to feel our voice. And we are in many, therefore is ok try to make it. :wink:

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Like, savin' th' Kodachrome dude? :P

Reminds me a lot of Alex Mason's 'SOK club'. ;)

Anyway Poliestere, it's all been said and done about K40. A lot of times. There are at least four or five major international, world-wide protest petitions that were sent to Kodak. Didn't help.

We're still waiting for a valid reason.

First, they said they'll close down the Swiss lab and said that they have to discontinue K40 because there is no lab for it anymore. But it was Kodak *themselves* closing down the lab, not some unstoppable, unintellegible force of nature.

Then they said K40 is not profitable anymore because of low sales. The lowest K40 sales took place during the early to mid-90s, constantly and annually rising yet since 1997.

Then they said it's not profitable to process K40 for free, or even for a payable fee. If it's not profitable, then why did it work for fourty years? Even further, Kodak doesn't *have* to process K40 themselves, for example Dwayne's in the US does it, too, and who is stopping others from doing the same as they have done in the past? Don't say 'the market'! If there wouldn't be a market for it, Dwayne's wouldn't do it.

Then they said K40 processing results in toxic waste, and that Kodak was charged governmental fees for not properly handling their toxic waste, dumping it outside damaging nature and endangering public health. It turned out that the toxic waste supposedly handled improperly had nothing to do with Kodachrome, and that Kodak sells all their waste Kodachrome chemicals to other companies that use it for other things.

The only probably scenario would be the same as for soundfilm. Soundfilm wasn't so much discontinued due to low sales (although they were lower than for silent film, of course) but because Kodak employees sued or threatened to sue on physical health issues due to handling chemicals involved in the process.

Apart from that, there are rumours that discontinuing K40 might have something to do with Kodak supposedly moving their chemical production factories to China, as said by Dave on this forum, inventor of the Supermag400 for S8 for which he dealed intensively with Kodak for months at least, and by Jürgen Lossau, editor-in-chief both of German cine periodical Schmalfilm and its international English version small format, both claiming to have their information regarding Kodak's move to China from Kodak employees.
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etimh wrote:talk to film_idaho--he still might be up for a serious fight on this. SOK. :twisted:
Yes and no, If someone can find a real plan of action then I'll think about it. I personally have moved to Kodachrome in 16mm.

Do you think Kodak would sell the formula to Kodachrome? I dunno.

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kodachrome in super8mm no longer for sale at dwayne's

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yes saving super8mm in kodachrome is too late. Dwayne's has already taken kodachrome super8mm off of their filmstock for sale section. 16mm and regular is all that remains in kodachrome. the new super 8mm ektachrome 64T is forsale at dwayne's for 13.99.
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This had been beaten to death already. With 14 processing steps, we already knew Kodachrome is not going to last forever.

The regret was the choice of K40 replacement. Kodak went by tungsten balanced film first, then finest grain according to "their survey". Their survey is flawed. That is the reason why there were several petitions going on for some time. Kodaks mistake opened up opportunities for Fuji. Velvia 50D in Super 8 is a viable alternative to K40. It is an excellent complement 64T. People are excited about it. Wrong choice of replacement only hurt Kodaks image. Poor marketing IMHO.
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Post by John_Pytlak »

Much more productive to put your effort into developing a good business case for an additional film added to the five Super-8 films already available from Kodak.

My personal first choice would be Kodak VISION2 50D Color Negative Film 7201. What's yours?

As stated before, I can make no promises, as there are many factors that go into the decision, including whether an additional film will truly expand the market. Remember, Kodak continues to support Super-8 as a learning tool for future professional filmmakers, and for offering a unique "look" in professional filmmaking.
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Do you think Kodak would sell the formula to Kodachrome? I dunno.
You can negotiate for a license to use Kodak's technology. I haven't heard of much action on anyone else wanting or willing to make a film like KODACHROME film. Very few labs want the complexity of maintaining the complex K-14 process. What does that tell you?
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If you want to shoot K40, go regular 8 mm.

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Joe Gioielli wrote:If you want to shoot K40, go regular 8 mm.

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The problem with that statement is that it is no longer an issue of Super8 K40 but the existence of any kind of Kodachrome at all in the near future.
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John_Pytlak wrote:My personal first choice would be Kodak VISION2 50D Color Negative Film 7201. What's yours?

As stated before, I can make no promises, as there are many factors that go into the decision, including whether an additional film will truly expand the market.
Hi John, you got me to turn on my old signature again :). The stock in my sig is my first choice. E100GX to be more specific. I think it caters to the general population. It is the closest to V50D - reversal, extremely fine grained, warm saturated colors, less contrasty than K40. I understand this is a daylight film and it complements well with 64T for indoors.

Vision2 50D is not a bad choice either. I will take that too. But this is a negative film. There are still users out there who still prefer to project their films so this may not be the choice if Kodak want to satisfy the majority.
John_Pytlak wrote:Remember, Kodak continues to support Super-8 as a learning tool for future professional filmmakers, and for offering a unique "look" in professional filmmaking.
If this is the only position Kodak is trying to make, then the market should be much smaller than what it is today. I think this is a mistake. There are still hobbyists out there who thinks Super 8 is just fun. There are someone who thinks it is easy to archive their movies this way than the hundreds of other solutions to transfer a mini DV to a DVD that can become obsolete in a few years. Of course, there are a lot out there who likes the looks of film over digital. All of these provide free publicity to Kodak and breeds new users with future professional fimlmakers included.
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LastQuark wrote:The stock in my sig is my first choice. E100GX to be more specific. I think it caters to the general population. It is the closest to V50D - reversal, extremely fine grained, warm saturated colors, less contrasty than K40.
I thought E100VS was meant to be closer to Velvia (than E100GX), having been designed to compete with it? I gather it's also the basis of Kodak 5285/7285 (E100D), which I think would have a much better chance of appearing in Super8 (since it already exists in movie film form in 16mm/35mm).

I can't imagine Kodak wanting that to happen until they run out of 64T, but we'll have Wittner selling it soon (and I look forward to seeing the results).

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Post by Shion »

As for Vision2 50D, check out this review:
http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004 ... opic=10137
Given that 16mm shows the most noticeable improvement of this new stock over the old EXR version, Super8 would probably benefit from the low grain even more greatly.

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