Finally Wittner - Velvia 50D is here!!

Post by **Carlos 8mm** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:58 am

http://wittner-kinotechnik.de/katalog/0 ... _meter.php

Post by **Shion** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:22 am

Great news!

So how is this going to work- the user loads/unloads the 50-foot length of film to/from the cartridge themselves? Or does Wittner handle this for them?

-Bon

Post by **richard p. t.** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:28 am

This is a 50' load for reloadable cassets. You buy the film and load it yourself, then unload it after exposure and send for processing in the tin the film came it. You need carts, and a change bag. The other lengths can be used in cameras with magazines, or cut down.

Post by aj » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:56 am

Unbelievable. Loose film in cans.
This is really going to attract herds of buyers. [/cynicmode]

How many users are there for such a product?
50-100?

Post by **Carlos 8mm** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:02 am

There are good news for Super8_mag_Inventor...

Witter-K Sells K-40, Fuji F-250/500 & ORWO 125 in 400ft. rolls "for export".

Maybe in a near future they sell Ekta 100D and Velvia 50 D in that way...

Post by **npcoombs** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:36 pm

Must be tricky to load those carts.

Surely the self-loading technique defeats the point of s8, which is its convenience?

Then again the price isnt too bad. I wonder if they cut those 1000ft lengths down to 100ft sections for you if you inetend to use it with their carts?

Post by **LastQuark** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:48 pm

Price is not bad. Savings between 50ft and 1000ft is not significant though - about a buck each 50ft.

There were talks about tooling a cartridge before. Can't beat Wittners price of 11.12 Euro (US$13.13) particularly they are antistatically treated, bearing lubricated, and custom notch!

Super 8 empty cartridge new one, empty S8-Filmkassette, openly/unverklebt. Picture of the individual parts here. To fill with super 8 - Filmmaterial in 15 m length. Cartridge neutrally, i.e. without ASP and filter notch. Both notches can be attached (if necessarily) individually. Completely, antistatically treated, sliding bearing lubricated, pre-mounts and examined. Best. - No. 1126 - (11.12 EUR net) 12.90 EUR gross super 8 empty cartridge - inclusive. ASP notch according to desire new one, empty S8-Filmkassette, openly/unverklebt. Picture of the individual parts here. To fill with super 8 - Filmmaterial in 15 m length. Completely, antistatically treated, sliding bearing lubricated, pre-mounts and examined. With ASP notch according to desire (desired ASP number please when ordering indicate). Best. - No. 1127 - (12.85 EUR net) 14.90 EUR gross

Any distributor in the Western Hemisphere yet?

Post by **tlatosmd** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:07 pm

I thought Wittner would slice and perf Velvia50D, and GK would put it into carts? I agree with Npcoombs, it defeats the whole point of S8.

Post by aj » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:04 pm

LastQuark wrote:Price is not bad. Savings between 50ft and 1000ft is not significant though - about a buck each 50ft.

There were talks about tooling a cartridge before. Can't beat Wittners price of 11.12 Euro (US$13.13) particularly they are antistatically treated, bearing lubricated, and custom notch!

Super 8 empty cartridge new one, empty S8-Filmkassette, openly/unverklebt. Picture of the individual parts here. To fill with super 8 - Filmmaterial in 15 m length. Cartridge neutrally, i.e. without ASP and filter notch. Both notches can be attached (if necessarily) individually. Completely, antistatically treated, sliding bearing lubricated, pre-mounts and examined. Best. - No. 1126 - (11.12 EUR net) 12.90 EUR gross super 8 empty cartridge - inclusive. ASP notch according to desire new one, empty S8-Filmkassette, openly/unverklebt. Picture of the individual parts here. To fill with super 8 - Filmmaterial in 15 m length. Completely, antistatically treated, sliding bearing lubricated, pre-mounts and examined. With ASP notch according to desire (desired ASP number please when ordering indicate). Best. - No. 1127 - (12.85 EUR net) 14.90 EUR gross
Any distributor in the Western Hemisphere yet?

The cartridges are unused standard types as used by Kodak. Probably they come from Kodak. Bearing, is just a ring in the supplyside which slides plastic-on-plastic around the hub which protrudes there. Anybody got a clue how to close these and keep them re-usable? And also making the closure firm enough to withstand forces when lifting one from behind the springblades in camera. This is already risky with the Kaccema's let alone on a thing which is not designed for re-using and isn't properly glued.

That makes a nice comic scene to shoot. A cartridge which jumps open and the film scatters like a snake chasing a spindle over the floor.

Post by **npcoombs** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:39 pm

Why on earth are they not just putting these in carts at a decent price? It seems like a good section of the s8 filmmaking/business world are just insane, maybe thats why the format is still alive?

While I'm in an inquisitive mood: why also do these people not market is as Fuji Velvia (a distinguished brand name), rather than as dull and anonymous Wittnerchrome? Same goes for Pro8 s8 perforations.

Post by **LastQuark** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:04 pm

aj wrote:The cartridges are unused standard types as used by Kodak. Probably the come from Kodak. Bearing is just a ring in the supply which slides plastic-on-plastic around the hub which protrudes there.

I was hoping these are the Kaccema type metal cartridges. I must have missed the plastic part. ](*,)

npcoombs wrote:While I'm in an inquisitive mood: why also do these people not market is as Fuji Velvia (a distinguished brand name), rather than as dull and anonymous Wittnerchrome? Same goes for Pro8 s8 perforations.

Looks like this is the direction Super 8 is going to. Kodak and Fuji will end up like wholesalers and will eventually be transparent to the end users. This is like Legend Computer of China. It is now called Lenovo. Buy their system and you can stick your own company logo on the system. They don't care about branding because they can make money this way anyway. IBM bite on it.

Post by **richard p. t.** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:58 pm

I believe Fuji specify that if their film is re-tooled by someone, it must no longer be packaged as a fuji product. Fair enough really, as it separates them from any quality issues with the finished product. Kodak of course do not supply their film for re-tooling - it is done by pro8mm from despite them. Witnerchrome (k40) is a special case there.

Post by **tlatosmd** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:04 am

I'd wonder though, why is Wittnerchrome100D available in carts while Velvia50D ain't? That's not the way to boost amateur and hobbyist market sales or even to take the K40 legacy porch up.

Post by **Carlos 8mm** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:27 am

tlatosmd wrote:I'd wonder though, why is Wittnerchrome100D available in carts while Velvia50D ain't? That's not the way to boost amateur and hobbyist market sales or even to take the K40 legacy porch up.

As you can see, Kodapak cart system is a pain in the ass for Non-Kodak Super 8 film manufacturers.

That explains the high price of Wittnerchrome 100D cartridges.

Selling Super 8 film in raw stock always will be cheaper than in Kodapak carts.

The availability of reloadable cartridges and raw stocks, will allow to increase the film catalogue and could support this small gauge by many years.

Hope that it happen...

Post by **tlatosmd** » Tue Dec 06, 2005 12:35 am

In fact, for my own use, I find 19.90 Euros for Wittnerchrome100D in a cart far more reasonable than 12.90 Euros for but rawstock on core. Even if I had one of those empty carts, I had no idea how to get the film in there, and even if I would know and *IF* I had the motorical abilities to do so in bright daylight, I'd most likely have to even load the film in complete darkness. :?

So many reasons which make this version of Velvia50D fail in comparison to Wittnerchrome100D for me!