What is better.....Final cut pro or Adobe?

[HuntingtonGault]

What is better.....Final cut pro or Adobe?

[Justin Lovell]

adobe what? premeire?

FCP hands down.

[teadub]

I like FCP way more than Premiere, I also like FCP's interface better than AVID in many respects. I got my first AVID certification back in '98.

[christoph]

What is better.....Final cut pro or Adobe?

this is a bit like asking: what is better, Mac or PC... leads to religious wars.

that said, FCP wins hands down, no prisoners taken ;)
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[sooper8fan]

sorry ladies, FCP is lame. I have many friends, as well as other local "competition" who use FCP and all their work sucks. I'm not just saying that because I use Premiere Pro, I say that because I look at the quality of their work. This could be, however, a combination of many things, whether it's their lack of creativity, editing skill, shooting skill or whatever, but I've seen so much stuff that I am just so unimpressed with. I used AVID for a few years at work while I was using Premiere 6 at home. When Premiere Pro came out I upgraded, quit my job and started my own gig. I've since upgraded to Pro 1.5 obviously, and it's so solid. Pro was good but with a few glitches here and there. 1.5 has been a wonderful experience and I'm sure I haven't even pushed it as hard as I could.
Here's something I made for a client: http://www.desireeandseth.com/TrailerFINAL.wmv
They said "here's a song, we want to make a movie trailer for our wedding" and away we went. This was all done on Premiere Pro 1.5 and it left several of my FCP friends dumbfounded (not to mention the 300 guests at the wedding reception where it played).

I also did a video segment for a big church here in Southern California and their video guy is always ranting and raving over FCP. When I showed him the final video he kept asking me how on earth I did this, or what effect did I use to do that....it was hilarious.

So, it's Premiere Pro for me.

[sooper8fan]

teadub wrote:

I got my first AVID certification back in '98

what's that got to do with FCP vs. Premiere :?:

christoph wrote:

FCP wins hands down

Do you have any cool stuff you've done? I'd love to see it!

[Justin Lovell]

interface and options in FCP are far more advanced in their simplicity.

If you're talking to editors who are blown away by Premiere's effects, then they probably aren't cutting much more than corporate videos, low end commercials or events...weddings.

Premiere lamness:
1)conforming audio EVERYtime for every subclip (which in itself is an issue to make them) Kills hard drive space conforming audio.
2) Skip ahead frames can only be done in increments of 5, not adjustable.
3) only can open 1 bin at a time, useless for media management-see the superbins in AVID, much nicer.
4)scene capture sucks, doesn't work half the time. FCP allows you to do a scene detect AFTER capturing...
5) FCP has an excellent batch export/rename feature to manage your clips.

On the plus side, if you're really doing anything worthwhile, you'll just cut the project in any old software and move it over into an FX software such as AE or shake... or maybe digital fusion.... anyways... adobe meshes nicely with AE, no need for automatic duck.

i can go on, but my eyes scream sleep, sleep! they burn like demons.

gnight.

justin
frame discreet
http://www.justinlovell.com

[VideoFred]

Here's something I made for a client: http://www.desireeandseth.com/TrailerFINAL.wmv

Well, no matter how you did it, It's very well made!
I enjoyed it from the beginning to the end.
Lots of humor in it, too

Fred.

[S8 Booster]

Permiere was great on MACs up to ver 4.0 - after that they went useless.

still learning fcp but it seems to do it all but with adifferent interface it take some time to get accustomed to. options seems almost no limit.

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[Uppsala BildTeknik]

Hah, the wedding thing was really great! :lol:

[christoph]

Here's something I made for a client: http://www.desireeandseth.com/TrailerFINAL.wmv

sorry, that's not really editing, but motion effects (and not terribly good one, no offence)...
if you like this sort of stuff, quit Premiere and learn After Effects.
(besides, you could do a very similair clip in FCP, but anybody who would want to do this properly would just use AE or Apple Motion)

christoph wrote:

FCP wins hands down

Do you have any cool stuff you've done? I'd love to see it! :D

I'm not that interested in cool stuff but rather in making nice films.

teadub wrote:

I got my first AVID certification back in '98

what's that got to do with FCP vs. Premiere :?:

it means that he knows what he's talking about as he can compare it to the industry standard and has been working with video editing for a looong time :P

I've been using Premiere since version 4 (never tried Pro though because i thought it was not worth the hassle) and Final Cut since version 1.25

the great thing about FCP is that it does literally every format with tons of codecs:
from 320x240 web clips up to uncompressed HD, all the same software.

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[VideoFred]

sorry, that's not really editing, but motion effects (and not terribly good one, no offence)...

Come on, Christoph, it's a wedding movie!
It's very fast and awesome to look at.
He used the effects at the right moments.
Timing was very well done.

I don't care how he made it, it's the result that counts for me.

Take a second look at it as if you where someone from the audience.

Fred.

[christoph]

Come on, Christoph, it's a wedding movie!
It's very fast and awesome to look at.

oh, I can understand that a lot of people enjoy it... it just doesn't do much for me and fact is that while it's nice for an amateurs work, it's really overloaded with cheap effects... (reminds me of all those invitation cards layouts that people got into when Word first came out).

but you're right, I probably shouldn't criticise something that I don't like anyway. the advice to switch to After Effects was honest and valid though.
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[VideoFred]

it's really overloaded with cheap effects

Yes, but in this particular case I can live with the effects.
But if you are not interested in effects , then you don't need an expensive NLE program at all.

You can do everything with free open source programs, too.
Analysing, frame evaluating, changing colorspace etc etc.
You name it, open source can do it.

Remember the violett look from my horse clip in the other thread?
You mentioned it would be not easy to remove..
Well, I removed it with just a few clics, with the autolevels Virtualdub plugin.
I could have done it with the Avisynth command colorUYV(), too.

You just need a simple prog. afterwards with just a timeline and the opertunity to add and mix sound, and to add some sober titles.

Even Moviemaker can do this

Fred.

[christoph]

But if you are not interested in effects , then you don't need an expensive NLE program at all.
You can do everything with free open source programs, too.
Analysing, frame evaluating, changing colorspace etc etc.
You name it, open source can do it.

hmm.. please tell me the open source program that edits in native HDV, that exports the full soundmix as an OMF file, that imports photoshop files with all layers and all kind of quicktime files, that can be upgraded to a realtime uncompressed SD system with 1000EUR of hardware, where you can prepare your project at home and take it to a professional post house to finish...

there's much more to a good NLE than effects.. in fact, the effects are probably the least important aspect for a lot of work.
++ christoph ++