old time sketchy feel like the 60's....

[bulion]

can anybody recommend a Super 8mm camera that can give me an old time sketchy feel like the 60's with some grain and burns saturated footage. What I mean by burn is when I take my eye off my arri it lets light in and overexposes the film, and what I mean by Noise is grain. I know you can edit all the burns and noise in but it just doesn't give it the real deal look, I've tried before.

Shall I go for a Nizo, Canon, Bauer? Any recommendations? Thank You!

[MovieMaker]

With such a question you could easily burn your fingers in a forum where people try to get the best out of Super8 - and not the worst.

My 5 cents: Buy the cheapest camera you can find on a flea market, don´t clean it, put some grainy film stock in it (like an old, outdated Ektachrome cartridge) and shoot handheld. The "sketchy" feel you´re trying to get comes automatically...

MovieMaker

And for the rest of us: Don´t tell anybody what Super8 can be really capable of... :roll:

[MovieStuff]

Use some outdated Ektachrome Type G in a Bentley. That oughta do it.

Roger

[ccortez]

Take Tri-X, shoot in any camera, and hand-process as negative.

If you are as sloppy a hand-processor as I am, you'll get exactly the footage you describe. ;)

[tlatosmd]

Use some outdated Ektachrome Type G in a Bentley. That oughta do it.

Roger

But if you get one, for example from eBay, be sure to get one that's still sealed. It's happened quite some times to me before that it had already been exposed before I bought it, and for some reason, this film simply doesn't double-expose.

[super8man]

In all seriousness, just get a decent GAF camera along the lines of the 805M profiled on my website, load it with K40 and shoot normally at 18fps...trust me, there are so many variables that by the time you end up with footage in your hands or on the tv, your friends will all brazingly berate you for having such grainy, unsteady footage...don't really waste your money on film/cameras in the junk bin...the images will be unusable to what you are expecting...trust me obiwon...

[Justin Lovell]

I have an example of some tri-x handprocessed that we transferred on my website if you want an idea of how it could look. This stuff was pushed a couple extra stops in the developer to make the grain even bigger. (you could solarize some of the film when you hand process it to give it an even more stylistic look.

take a look in the "work" section under frame discreet.

justin
frame discreet
8mm.film.transfer.house
http://www.justinlovell.com

[timdrage]

One day I'll make a movie that's grainy, scratchy, unsteady and generally distressed 8mm all the way through except for a couple of scenes which flashback to the 60's - these will be shot on Imax.

[tlatosmd]

One day I'll make a movie that's grainy, scratchy, unsteady and generally distressed 8mm all the way through except for a couple of scenes which flashback to the 60's - these will be shot on Imax.

Then Roger will make a short about jittery today and rock-steady yesterday. ;)

BTW, for a really cheap and awful look I'd suggest simply shooting your film off your projection screen with a cheap video cam in complete auto-mode.

[steve hyde]

....the hand processed black and white has more of an early 20th century look to my eyes. If you want color you might consider shooting Vision2 500T. I would use a good camera to shoot the stuff so that you have more creative control. The S8 color negatives look a lot like 16mm shot 25 years ago.


hope this helps,

Steve

[steve hyde]

I have an example of some tri-x handprocessed that we transferred on my website if you want an idea of how it could look. This stuff was pushed a couple extra stops in the developer to make the grain even bigger. (you could solarize some of the film when you hand process it to give it an even more stylistic look.

take a look in the "work" section under frame discreet.

justin
frame discreet
8mm.film.transfer.house
http://www.justinlovell.com

These are great super 8 clips!

Cheers,

Steve

[jpolzfuss]

How to get this 60s/70s-look:

• Try to get some Agfa or Orwo/Svema-filmstock for your shoots
• Get the cheapest zoom-camera from eBay/a fleamarket/a garage sale - but avoid any camera from Agfa, Bauer, Beaulieu, Bolex, Braun, Canon, Elmo, Eumig and Leica and any camera with more than an on/off-button, a SlowMotion-button, a "daylight/tungsten"-switch and maybe a motor-zoom!
• Shoot at 18fps
• Don't clean your lenses
• Don't use a tripod
• Make everyone wavying at you
• Zoom without any reason
• Don't edit the footage later on - just align your rolls by using some tape! (When "cutting" on your PC, you'll have to add some extra "unsteadiness" between the rolls since most amateurs used normal tape (Tesa, Scotch, ...) instead of film-tape and hence the projectors had to perforate the tape themselves ;) )

That's it!

[tlatosmd]

[*] Try to get some Agfa or Orwo/Svema-filmstock for your shoots

In case of Agfa stock, be sure it outdated not later than the mid-80s.