Somewhat OT: 16mm projectors

Post by **tfunch24** » Wed Jan 01, 2003 3:29 am

I've bought an old 16mm Bell & Howell cine camera and now I'm looking for a projector (the woman from whom I bought the camera did not have a projector.) I'm not looking for a top-of-the-line, fully-featured projector that goes for $300-$400 on eBay but rather a decent work horse that can reliably throw a decent image on a screen and does not require bulbs that cost $25 apiece. Can anyone list any decent, inexpensive brands?

I'm going to try and look in old camera shops before trying eBay. Has anyone ever attempted approaching a school district about buying their old 16mm projectors?

Tom

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 01, 2003 5:59 am

I would go for an Eiki like this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 1948110535

You can get it on ebay for $70.00. Eiki's are terrific.

Roger

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 01, 2003 6:02 am

Here's a really sweet one with touch controls:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 1948027599

Roger

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 01, 2003 6:04 am

This is as cheap as it gets ($36.00) for a unique-fixer-upper opportunity:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 1947708486

Roger

Post by **studiocarter** » Wed Jan 01, 2003 12:31 pm

http://www.16mmoviemaking.com/16mm_projectors.htm

I bought 6 for $6 each from a cop who was a guard at a school which dumped them.

Michael

Post by **David M. Leugers** » Wed Jan 01, 2003 4:48 pm

Depends on your intended use: do you need sound, are you going to project your 16mm original film, how big of film reel capacity do you need etc?

One great thing about 16mm IMHO is that there are so many great and inexpensive projectors available. If you do not require sound and are going to project your original film, you want a projector that will not scratch your film and is easy to thread and maintain. The Bell and Howell 400ft silent projectors (often called Diplomat or Filmo) are the best around. A close second is the Kodak sports analysis series of 400ft projectors. Get the Kodak Analyst model II as it uses the plentiful and cheap EJL bulbs. If you want sound and larger reels, the B+H JAN or the Kodak Pageant series of projectors fit the bill nicely. All of the above projectors can be had for under $100 on eBay. Slot load machines represent the easiest to thread and can be excellent machines. The Elmo and Eiki are tops, whereas the Kalart 900 series projectors are really nice and are the best bargain around. I use one myself most of the time because it is so easy to use and maintain and it gives an awesome picture and sound. It is very easy on film, uses the cheap EJL bulbs and uses the best and plentiful 2" lens mount often called a B+H lens mount. So many lenses out there will fit it and f1.2 is common and very fast for a bright pictrure. In reality, just about any clean and properly functioning 16mm projector will fit the bill. Happy hunting!

Post by **jukkasil** » Wed Jan 01, 2003 5:31 pm

I recommend also Eiki's projectors.

I have EIKI NT-2 model, costed me 65 Euros.

I found it from local flea market in here Finland couple years ago, it's mint (= like new) and has worked without any problem since I bought it. And it has both magnetical and optical sound.

Post by **tfunch24** » Wed Jan 01, 2003 6:37 pm

David M. Leugers wrote:Depends on your intended use: do you need sound, are you going to project your 16mm original film, how big of film reel capacity do you need etc?

The only reason I need a 16mm projector is to project the 16mm films that I've shot. My 16mm camera is an older wind-up Bell & Howell silent model so I don't require a sound projector. However, if I find an inexpensive sound projector, I'll definitely pounce on it--the extra option does not hurt.

As for reel capacity, I'm not sure. For the average sound projector, what's the average reel capacity?

Tom

Post by **studiocarter** » Wed Jan 01, 2003 8:09 pm

It's the older silent projectors that have a reel capacity limit to 400 feet. The sound projectors can handle 1200 foot no problem.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 02, 2003 10:06 am

Hi, definitely go for an EIKI or ELF as known in the uk, NT1 series.....extremely bright picture,easily obtainable belts and bulbs......trust you are shooting at 24fps......would advise you to shoot at 24fps....

Post by **tfunch24** » Fri Jan 03, 2003 4:23 am

Well, after telling myself to try and not buy a projector off of eBay...I bought an Eiki projector off of eBay

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Now I need to get a takeup reel (the projector I purchased did not come with one.)

Thanks for the advice about the filming speed.

Has anyone ever had New York Camera and Video do a telecine transfer of 16mm (or 8mm) film before? I'm considering using them since Moviestuff does not offer 16mm transfer services and don't anticipate shooting enough 16mm to warrant the purchase of Workprinter 16 or a CineMate 16

Tom

Post by **cineandy** » Fri Jan 03, 2003 10:25 am

Hi, using your newly aquired projector,you can try doing you own transfers,ie use a camcorder to record the projected image...I found that you get no flicker at all when using an Eiki projector at 24fps.......

Post by **tfunch24** » Fri Jan 03, 2003 6:43 pm

That is definitely feasible but I'd like to get a pro transfer for two reasons:

1. I have some old 16mm home movies that were shot silent at 18 fps. When projected at 24 fps, everybody looks like they have chased down a bottle of Mountain Dew with two quarts of Pepsi.

2. No offense but after using the Moviestuff Video CineMate 20 and having footage transferred on the DV-8, I don't want the "shot off the Radialite screen" look.

Tom

Post by **studiocarter** » Fri Jan 03, 2003 7:47 pm

And what if the film was shot at 24fps? Does it flicker then? all the projectors I have only play at one 24fps speed, none are variable speed. Silent ones will play at variable speeds and flicker goes away at 15fps.
I'll have to project some 24fps film and try it out. What do you do with the camera, special shutter speed?
Michael

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jan 04, 2003 4:15 pm

yes I agree,the only way to get the best out of any film format is to have it professionally transferred...
I sometimes do a copy on dv,edit on dv,then once happy, edit the 16mm film..
I found the eiki projector at 24fps give no flicker,most eiki projectors have a two bladed shutter,you may get flicker from other projectors if a three bladed shutter is fitted...
Regarding the camcorder, i use a sony trv 900, lock shutter speed to 1/50th, lock exposure and white balace,and turn off
the auto focus... Andy

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