Newbie question Keystone K-21

GWL_diegrinder · Post by **GWL_diegrinder** » Wed Jan 01, 2003 2:33 am

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I have the opportunity to purschase a Keystone K-21. It is in excellent condition. My goal is to, hopefully, use it to take films during WWII reenacting and get that "realistic" feeling of making newsreels of the 1940's. Is this going to be possible? Will I be able to purshcase film and get it developed?
Thanks in advance for the advice.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 02, 2003 1:49 am

Anyone?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 02, 2003 10:19 am

Hi, I think that the camera in question is standard/double 8,
fully manual no auto expsure etc....
Have you ever use a cine camera before?
The filmstock is available for this camera in colour and b+w,
My advice would be purchase a super 8 camera... Dont go for the keystone,if your heart is set on a double 8 camera, go for a Bolex H8.....

YouTube · Post by **wahiba** » Thu Jan 02, 2003 12:04 pm

While a Bolex might be top drawer in terms of clockwork cine camera, when it comes to filming in the field a cheap and cheerful fix focus non zoom is a better bet. Auto exposure can help, but manual exposure is not so much of a hassle as manual focusing. Of course you might find a Bolex with a fixed focus lense. This option is not really on for Super-8, where the basic option is electric with auto exposure and a 2X zoom.

For the WWII effect use Kodak Pan-X super 8, or cine - XX standard 8. It is the same stuff. Develope as a negative, 50/100 asa works and then reverse after telecine. DIY processing is possible, but double 8 needs a splitter.

Processing and telecine can all be DIY if finances are tight.

Keystone being a US Brand is not common this side of the pond, so cannot help on that camera.

Have fun - film.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:42 am

Thanks for the info. I am no familiar with the 8mm language, but I can learn quickly from research. It sounds like the little keystone 8mm might not work afterall. I was maninly worried about accessing film and getting it developed. Cheers.

Post by **studiocarter** » Wed Jan 08, 2003 3:05 pm

Film and processing are not a problem.
A Bolex could be set on the red numbers and used exactly like a Keystone.

Post by **orangefunk** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 12:33 am

I am not familar with the Keystone in question, but if it is what the other posters say it is then I would pass on it.

I would get a nice cheap super 8 camera and shoot black and white film at 18fps for that vintage monochromatic choppy motion look.

I just picked a nice Minolta XL-400 for just $15 USD. It shots at 18 fps, single frame, interval shooting, decent lens, and manual exposure. It has a decent f1.2 lens, so good for available light shooting.

Super 8 film is also readily available and very easy to handle on the field.

Post by **studiocarter** » Thu Jan 09, 2003 1:24 pm

Yea, I have one, too. I'm going to film clouds passing over my city with some K40. At the same time I'll use a B8 regular 8mm camera to do the same with some Fomapan for a grittier look. The shutter will need to be closed some on it or maybe I'll have the film 'pulled' one stop. The last time I did it the H8 jammed after half a roll. It was cold and the mechanism needed some lubercation. I did get the sequence onto some Cine-X and it was long enough to look interesting. Someday I'll put it onto a CD.

Michael

Filmshooting

Newbie question Keystone K-21

Newbie question Keystone K-21

Get a cheap super 8 to test out the look