I am with you Roger. I find so much to object to and contradict what
cal godot says that I leave most of it go by, it is not worth my time.
I got more important things to do than write volumes on this website
answering what I consider mostly utter nonsense. Ok, I can't stop myself.
One more for the road.
Cal:
Ken Burns is a left wing film maker without question. Who is trying to "take away" Michael Moore's Oscar? Why is it that a left wing film
maker can make a supposed documentary that is filled with flasehoods
just to make a point and no one questions its validity? If a right wing film maker does the same thing it is called propaganda. Michael Moore's book pales severely when compared to sales of hard line conservative Michael Savages' book. Probably even when compared to conservative milktoast
O'Reillys' books. No one booed Michael Moore at the Oscars until he broke procedure and went on his Democratic rant about George Bush and the past election. THAT is when he became a bufoon to many americans.
Too bad, he does have some talent. Do us all a favour and end this because I am, just like Roger. I'll give you the last word.
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The war of 1812 ahh!
Declared by the US and what I have read about it caused as much by the cock up theory as anything else. Peace treaty was signed before the last battle, communciations were slow then. Generally considered a draw and except for a few folk singers both sides decided to forget about it.
At least the burnt presidential palace got a new coat of paint, white this time!
Historically during the 19th century US governments kept on good terms with the British. After Waterloo if the British had decided to retake the American colonies it would have been fairly easy.
Pax Brittanica was real. Also cash Brittanica - where do you think the money came from to open up the west!
Declared by the US and what I have read about it caused as much by the cock up theory as anything else. Peace treaty was signed before the last battle, communciations were slow then. Generally considered a draw and except for a few folk singers both sides decided to forget about it.
At least the burnt presidential palace got a new coat of paint, white this time!
Historically during the 19th century US governments kept on good terms with the British. After Waterloo if the British had decided to retake the American colonies it would have been fairly easy.
Pax Brittanica was real. Also cash Brittanica - where do you think the money came from to open up the west!
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Hey Anonymous Guest...at least Leugers and Evans put their names on their posts! Who's hiding? And who's the coward?
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Really? I just sort of figured that he simply agreed with me. What insight you have!Anonymous wrote:David Leugers, You are such a pupett to Rogers threads.
And why don't you take some remedial grammar lessons, oh enlightened one? It's "puppet", not "pupett" and "Roger's" not "Rogers" and "hiding" not "hidding".Anonymous wrote:Why don't you just get a spine
And what if his ideas just happen to be the same as mine? Or is that just too much a coincidence for your limited, grammar deficient intellect to get around? NOTE TO FORUM MEMBERS: You can not agree with anyone on this forum or you are a pupett, uh, I mean puppet.Anonymous wrote:and stand your own ground with your own ideas
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, kids. The Great and Mighty OZ has spoken! Strong words coming from an anonymous poster afraid to reveal his identity. But thanks for calling me a winner, though. Pitiful accomplishment, to be sure, considering the subject matter being discussed.Anonymous wrote: instead of trying to be on the winning side like a coward hidding behind the strongest guy in the class.
Sheesh..... Do I really have to point this out?
For the record, David and I don't always agree on everything. I certainly do not agree with some of his political positions. Just because we happen to agree on why we find pompous wanna-be intellectuals with a warped personal agenda to be as useless as a third tit doesn't mean that one of us is a follower of the other. Heck, maybe I'm following David! Did you ever consider that?
Hmmm. And here I thought these loose threads were just my sleeves coming unraveled. Turns out I'm a "pupett". Ahhhhhhh!
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Come on Cal, if you are going to take the last word, we have to know it is you. 8)David Leugers,
You are such a pupett to Rogers threads. Why don't you just get a spine and stand your own ground with your own ideas instead of trying to be on the winning side like a coward hidding behind the strongest guy in the class.
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What is it with that Guest thing? I've never had that happen to me. Must be my innate superiority! ;)
David Leugers: Ken Burns gets chided often for his "creative" documentaries, as does Michael Moore. There was massive controversy over Burn's JAZZ doco, for example. Your problem here is that you're looking for such things in the mass media, which is itself more truth-challenged than Burns and Moore combined. Serious critiquing of documentary can be found in the independent publications of such organization as AIVF (Moore is on the cover of the mag this month, I think).
As for "truth vs. propaganda," this too is a major discussion among documentary folk. It's true that "right wing" documentaries often get derided as propaganda while clearly propgandistic "left wing" doco films get a pass. This is simply because doco people tend to be "leftish" and, like most people, barely capable of unbiased judgment. Some of us think every doco we do is propaganda. Some of us think "objective truth" is as mythical as a unicorn. Others hang on to it and deride "personal" documentaries. Somewhere in the middle is the slippery little worm of The Truth. Nobody ever catches it, but sometimes you get a piece.
As for who is trying to take Moore's richly deserved Oscar, you can web search and find the site: it's been in the news lately. I'm not going to provide the guy with hits to his web site. He's got about as much chance of success as I do in becoming President (since I don't have any friends on the Supreme Court).
Lucas et al - I'll stop referring to Roger when he stops referring to me. And if he thinks not using my name is hiding his attacks, he must have no respect for the intelligence of those assembled here. I'm sure he's going to be clever now and say, "I didn't say it was you! If you identify with my remark about 'pompous wanna-be intellectuals with a warped personal agenda' then that's your problem." We'll see how much integrity Roger has, since he's already agreed not to refer to me and broken that agreement.
That said, I'll stop calling him names though. And stop ad hominem attacks. Which he seems unable to do.
David Leugers: Ken Burns gets chided often for his "creative" documentaries, as does Michael Moore. There was massive controversy over Burn's JAZZ doco, for example. Your problem here is that you're looking for such things in the mass media, which is itself more truth-challenged than Burns and Moore combined. Serious critiquing of documentary can be found in the independent publications of such organization as AIVF (Moore is on the cover of the mag this month, I think).
As for "truth vs. propaganda," this too is a major discussion among documentary folk. It's true that "right wing" documentaries often get derided as propaganda while clearly propgandistic "left wing" doco films get a pass. This is simply because doco people tend to be "leftish" and, like most people, barely capable of unbiased judgment. Some of us think every doco we do is propaganda. Some of us think "objective truth" is as mythical as a unicorn. Others hang on to it and deride "personal" documentaries. Somewhere in the middle is the slippery little worm of The Truth. Nobody ever catches it, but sometimes you get a piece.
As for who is trying to take Moore's richly deserved Oscar, you can web search and find the site: it's been in the news lately. I'm not going to provide the guy with hits to his web site. He's got about as much chance of success as I do in becoming President (since I don't have any friends on the Supreme Court).
Lucas et al - I'll stop referring to Roger when he stops referring to me. And if he thinks not using my name is hiding his attacks, he must have no respect for the intelligence of those assembled here. I'm sure he's going to be clever now and say, "I didn't say it was you! If you identify with my remark about 'pompous wanna-be intellectuals with a warped personal agenda' then that's your problem." We'll see how much integrity Roger has, since he's already agreed not to refer to me and broken that agreement.
That said, I'll stop calling him names though. And stop ad hominem attacks. Which he seems unable to do.
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Cal: I think documentaries are just like history in that they tend to reflect the views of the ones creating it. I view a documentary as an opinion backed up with facts instead of the ultimate truth. Man, Ken Burns left me very disappointed first with Baseball and then Jazz. Gives me a sinking feeling in my stomach that his great Civil War documentary might be viewed differently if I were to watch it again. At least with Michael Moore you know up front that you are getting his viewpoint instead of the pompous "serious historian" angle Ken Burns comes across with. Oh well, I still like documentaries and as far as some idiot trying to raise support to take Michael Moore's Oscar away from him I encourage people to not support it. I view it like the issue with baseball great Pete Rose. Ban him from further employment in baseball, but the Hall of Fame is for his accomplishments on the field and he should not be kept out. Michael Moore won his Oscar and nothing he can say or do afterwards should affect that. IMHO
Sorry, you still have the last word.
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Sorry, you still have the last word.
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My grammar is just fine . I just figured that while I am posting here on the forum that I wasn't writing a research paper and therefore did not need to proof read it. So I typed it fast and did not go back and make corrections. You ever make typos Roger? OH no, that 's right , you are perfect. So perfect in fact, that when you do not like what you are hearing you divert the issue and pick out little flaws that have nothing to do with the situation at hand. I only expect for people to speak from their true selves and stick to the issue. You and Mr. David are obviously not able to do that. And my Grammar is a hell of lot better than that of many other people on this forum and you were not thoughtful enough to point it out to them. So as the great lion fails to win his big battle we see that he plays dirty and diverts the issue just like any other poster is capable of. How noble of you! You are just grabbing for straws. I hope that you do not disagree with your wife like that because I would really feel sorry for her if you did. And it only becomes an issue about people not logging in when it is in reference to something that you find displeasing to your tender ears. It is not illegal not to log in and untill it is built into this forum that it is, get off my back ! I can carry on a conversation with anybody and not be obligated to show them my Photo ID. Yes you will go on about the common courtesy about this matter. Well if you havn't figured out by now that I am not a very courteous guy then give up and stop making an issue about my not logging in. Take my word for it. I am not extremely discourteous but I am not courteous So get over it!
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If you say so.Anonymous wrote:My grammar is just fine
It's not illegal for me to call you an inconsiderate dickhead, either. Nor is it illegal for me or others to stay on the backs of all inconsiderate dickheads that sign in here anonymously. So, just continue to sign in anonymously, do your hit and run, then leave. But don't think for a minute that you'll get anyone's respect by operating that way.Anonymous wrote: It is not illegal not to log in and untill it is built into this forum that it is, get off my back
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Hey, who are you kidding "anonymous"? You can't take all the credit here. Roger's right. I WAS being a real dickhead about not logging in. And, I was totally out of line in how I spoke to David. Man, when you don't log in, things can get really confusing, you know? So, for the record, Roger you were totally right. No more "mystery man" from me. From now on, I'll stop being an inconsiderate dickhead and step out from the shadows in which I usually hide.