Pro 8mm and Yale - Death Valley

[wahiba]

I am coming to the conclusion that Yale do not have their policy for religious purposes, but to wind up people on internet forums. I reckon they must have a sense of humour.

Keep up the good work Yale, and continue lightening up Internet forums

[MovieStuff]

freedom of speech? hehe ... get real. you live in the US, there is no freedom of speech in the US ... the people that truly speak free are shot in the back.

Really? And now you're an expert on political freedoms and social justice? Hmmmm. Sort of like being an expert on servicing Beaulieus last week but not understanding basic ASA and metering techniques this week? A supposed expert on back focus one week but the following week doesn't have a clue about the relationship of lens to film plane/ground glass measurements?

Sorry, Eric, what you know about freedoms in the US is even less than what you know about motion picture cameras. The bigger difference is that you can't read a book to understand it. You have to live it. As always, your diatribes are amusing but clueless to the realities of the issue at hand.

Roger

[Guest]

Dilbert: so you went to Yale?
Interviewee: Yes, I yust got out.

(Sorry)

[David M. Leugers]

ericMartinJarvies if you are so brilliant and can master any subject in quick order, how
about learning a little gramar or spelling? Everyone I know that grew up in the United
States and is an American as you claim to be, pretty much learned that in grade school.
I pretty much discount anyone who goes around claiming to be an expert on anything.
Trying to convince people of your exceptional talents instead of letting your talents
do the talking is a sure sign of someone desperate for acceptance or recognition. The
sad part is that such individuals often fool and mislead others around them.

This forum has, like always it seems, collapsed into a sounding board for anti-American
socialist ranting. The wealthy purveyors of communism love such individuals as they can
be used as "useful idiots". (that is not my term) Overbearing government has been the
downfall of man practically since the beginning of civilization. The founding fathers of
my country put together the greatest document in history IMHO when they created our
Constitution. Problems with our government, justice system etc stems from the move
away from the Constitution and into the morass of a "Democracy" instead of the Republic
that is the basis of our heritage. True freedom comes at a price and requires mutual
respect for each others freedom. Freedom of choice is a wonderful thing, use it while
you still can. If I choose to send my film to Yale, I will. If I don't I won't. What could be
simpler? To force Yale to process your project because your wife likes the word "fuck"
is wasted effort for all involved.

David M. Leugers

[ericMartinJarvies]

i was raised in NEW MEXICO (this is a US state next to texas the last time i checked) from the age of one month. moved to california at 15 years. moved to nevada at 22. moved to new york at 25. moved to colorado at 27. moved back to new mexico. then off to mexico, france, mexico, spain, mexico. i am AMERICAN ... a US CITIZEN ... and i DO understand AMERICA, as i have lived it and experienced it in many ways from social to business to legal to politicol.

so it is not a question of if i have experience to make such statements, it is a question about how 'some people' who claim to support 'america' and all of her 'freedoms', is willing to critizise me for my freely spoken words. and to further cause personal attack and attempt to affect injury. that is the point i was making in my posts. i was not personally out to attack someone. just writting for fun.

[Harvard Man]

If they can't handle profanity then they are either in the wrong business or operating in the wrong location...

There is a difference between "can't handle" and choosing not to deal with something. Profanity is optional, not a requirement to construct a sentence. examples: "Get a clue!", or "Get a fucking clue". Both mean the same thing. Some might have a problem with the first example since the profanity has been replaced by an exclamation point. Punctuation seems difficult to master for some, so they resort to profanity (IMO!).

.....Because the last time that I checked, Fuck has become a watered down word as more people have been using it lately and just about every major motion picture with at least a PG rating uses it...... So what the FUCK is up with all this fretting about a word that, in the grand scheme of things, is really no big deal at all?

Because many people in this world still do not find profanity acceptable. The use of profanity is by a minority, not a majority. There have been many a hollywood movie that has become less of a movie due to the overuse or abuse of profanity. Can't write a decent dialog for a hollywood script, use profanity to fill in the empty spaces between the actual content of the dialog. :roll:

SUBJECT MATERIAL POLICY
We realize that the artist has full and total choice of expression. However, we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. As a policy, we do not and will not process, print, repair, or transfer any film containing: nudity, pornography, sexual acts (either real or simulated), lewdness, satanic, occultic, religiously blasphemous, exploitative of children, debasement of women, containing S & M, anything illegal, or in any way extremely offensive to us. Nor will we participate in the desensitization of or the glorification of killing, rape, violence, gore, suicide, torture, profanity, etc.… whether in visual or audio form.

Anyone find something in the terms that violates a law? I would say the only things in the terms that would violate any law may be the things Yale finds unacceptable. I can't imagine any law that would force a person or business to accept anything described in Yales Terms as unacceptable. I also can't imagine any law that would force one religion on any other religious group for any reason. Yale seems to have fairly high standards for what is acceptable. Hardly a crime, and something to admire in this world of hurt.

Candidate definitions for "Troll":
* Someone addicted to negative attention.
* An annoying pest.
* A person who is wrong -- [Vote: 1 for, 4 against]
* An annoying pest who is wrong.
* Somebody who states their viewpoint over and over.
* Somebody looking to start an argument.
* Someone who makes deliberately inflammatory remarks with the
malicious aim of creating unconstructive argument.
* Someone obsessed with a narrow topic.

[calgodot]

Hey Leugers old boy: How smart is it to complain about personal attacks with your own personal attack? Huh boy?

Can you say HYPOCRISY?

I didn't think so.

Keep it up, old boy. Your anti-commie rant had me in stitches. And here I thought McCarthyism was all gone! Guess the paint on your slur brush ain't dry yet, huh boy? It's good to see the right wing boys can dupe a good ole boy like you as well as my commie overlord masters have duped me!

Lovingly,

yr pal cal
commie pinko dupe troll

[crimsonson]

freedom of speech? hehe ... get real. you live in the US, there is no freedom of speech in the US ... the people that truly speak free are shot in the back. go to brazil, mexico, hell, even france or spain ... you have more freedom of speech on their small pinky then on the entire fat belly of the US. and that is the truth. i am a US citizen, i was raised in america. i beleive alot of great people, great minds, great spirits are from america. but for pete's sake, you cant even socialize with your local police officer without getting harrased, or have your ID run through one system or another. you cant live without crdit of one form or another ... you always gotta be paying someone something. you have to disclaim everything so you dont get sued. common sense plays no role in the US legal system, and the enforement of the legal system. ask the dixie chicks how free the united states is regarding freedom of speech. as that documentary guy at the awards ... what's his name? freedom of speach is ruined by both the politicol power of the time, and all the non-thinking sideliners that populate the majority of the planet buying into all that propoganda bullshit. the top is feeding and fueling the bottom feeders. and those inbetween are either getting stepped on from those at the tp, or shot in the back from those feeding on the bottom.


peace

Wow- you are way off!! Beyond the Green Monster!!
I think you are confusing what is the definition of Freedom of Speech is under the Constitution.
Freedom of Speech gives you the right to speak BUT DOES NOT mean you are free from criticism!! I mean what kind of society is that when we "yes" everyone to death!! In fact you need criticism, no matter from who [yes even the government] in order to facilitate intellectual discussion and progress. If you get on the Soap Box be ready to accept that many won't agree and will argue back. Plain and simple.

Second, your patronizing view of "Americans" is not needed and seems a shallow statement to qualify your arguement.
Its like "I have a lot Mexican friends but they are so stupid."



"common sense plays no role in the US legal system, and the enforement of the legal system. ask the dixie chicks how free the united states is regarding freedom of speech. "


WHAT? HUH?
Dixie Chicks what? They have not been arrested. The government has no way in any fashion interfered with their livelyhood. All those who decided to stop selling or playing their music are private companies and individuals. Their albums are still sold by many stores. In fact, they are in a cover of a major magazine!
I really think you are confused what Freedom of Speech means.



"freedom of speach is ruined by both the politicol power of the time, and all the non-thinking sideliners that populate the majority of the planet buying into all that propoganda bullshit.... "


This cliche is really not a valid arguement. It is uttered a millions times, yet does not offer any new insight or alternative to what is "better."
This is arrogant, pseudo intellectual back patting that offers nothing, absolutely nothing.

[David M. Leugers]

Crimsonson: Well said about freedom of speech. If we can not agree
to disagree at times, then there will be no hope for any of us for a future with personal freedom.

Cal: Buddy... where do you get your thoughts from? Time to take your medicine.

Hey Leugers old boy: How smart is it to complain about personal attacks with your own personal attack? Huh boy?

Can you say HYPOCRISY?

I didn't think so.

God your sharp, witty and intelligent. I don't think I can communicate on your level. Well, I don't want to, put it that way. Your bravery hiding behind a fake photo and probably a fake name says way more than I could. If you ever manage to climb out of that victim suit you love to wear, maybe then we could actually have a conversation about something that matters.

David M. Leugers

[MovieStuff]

Your bravery hiding behind a fake photo and probably a fake name says way more than I could.

But don't you see? It matters not that Cal has appropriated a copyrighted photo that legally does not belong to him. Because Cal, alone, reserves freedom of choice he simply "chooses" to ignore the law and use the photo as he pleases on posts where he condemns others for (can you believe it) supposedly violating the law.

Hey, Cal, can you say HYPOCRISY?

Or does the letter of the law not affect Cal Godot as he would have it apply to others? Think about that before you swagger around telling people to crack a book as you obviously skipped the section on copyright infringement, eh? ;)

Roger

[Guest]

Hey Harvard man,
You get the idea so let's not play semantic games here. Are you a lawyer? Because the last time I checked they were the only ones that could play around with semantics and actually convince people
that there was some kind of relevance to it. So letme make it perfectly clear so that in case you are not smart enough to read between the lines there will be no guess work here."cant handle", "wont handle" the issue remains the same: they may be in the wrong business,the wrong location or both. If you were a racist and did not want to serve people of color whether you have an alergy to their skin pigment or whether you just refuse to serve them, then being a waiter is not the line of work for you because you will have to deal with all kinds in that business. Yale is in the movie capital of the world catering to filmmakers and aspirng filmmakers. This business is one of the most liberal that there is. film is a medium that is the most open to expression of different kind and if that is not acceptable to yale( something as minor as a four letter word) then they are in the wrong place and the wrong business.

[Lucas Lightfeat]

Sheesh guys...It amazes me the extent to which America is still divided over interpretations of the constitution and the basic rights that you value so highly, though perhaps it shouldn't. The extremes to which all the vehement arguments about the definition of freedom of speech extend truly amazes me. It is as though the state of the union is still...well, divided, frankly. Also the assumption from some (I hear this all the time) that these basic values are unique to America is quite ignorant and blinkered. I'm sorry, but I live in a city with many thousands of Americans, some of whom I am friends with, who have realised that there are in fact many more tangible freedoms in Britain than America, indeed in most North and Western European states. We are all highly civilised nations that, for the most part, are not living in this seeming schism many Americans are in our understanding of what our freedoms are, judging by the plethora or discussions abour your rights and freedoms. It is so exasperating that many Americans regard theirs as the land of the free, and home of the worlds reatest democracy in the world, without first hand knowledge of anything with which to compare it. Surely this assumed superiority should be questioned.

In Britain, for example, we simply do not have a constitution, and astonishingly we are all subjects to the queen, rather than citizens as in a republic, which although at first may seem to give us no basic, unquestionable rights, has in fact proved to result in quite the oposite, as our human rights are flexible, and can adapt in the light of changing circumstances. This would be why ownership of a gun in this country is punishable with a five year prison sentence, the right not to be shot being seen as more 'relevant' to our times than the right to own a gun. I would not describe Britain as a world leader in personal freedoms and advanced democracy, but I certainaly think that Americans who consider theirs to be so, do so out of both misplaced nationalism AND lack of experience.

Please, please, please do not, as has so often been the case when challenging Americans or in any way criticising your country, or individual Americans' attitudes to it, accuse me of "America-bashing." I am friends with many, many American people, and it is the largest cultural influence on my country, England, than any other nation. I live in a nation inextricably associated with America by much of the world, and for long referred to (albeit irreverantly) as the 51st State. In many ways I love America, but some of you will know that I have in the past voiced several criticisms of America, particularly in the build up to the war. The national pride that inspired the retort I recieved to my unhapiness with the strength of the alliance between our countries does little to redress my basic belief that Americans are self obsessed and over indulgent in its opinion of America. I would love it if more of you got passports and went out into the world outside of America, as Eric clearly has.

To Cal Godot:

...Why you live in the United States is clear to me. It is the only place you can live where you are tolerated.

To Chas:

It was unnecessary to discribe the man as an albino any more than to call him fat, ugly, retarded, or some racial identifier and was again a way to demean the individual. Who believes he actually was whimpering and even crying? Your twisted tale of your rejection has set this all in motion. You should be ashamed.

David M. Leugers

Cal would be tolerated in Britain, Australia and most of Europe and would scarcely likely ever be refused a transfer because of the nature of his material. Tolerance is hardly the exclusive possession of America.

Well said about the insulting and demeaning albino comments David. I don't how or why I let that one pass myself.

Lucas

[David M. Leugers]

To Lucas:

You have some good points and I don't even want to critisize your country or anyone else's. I think it best to critic ones own country.
I don't want to bore our friends in other countries, but I speak out
about the Constitution of the United States often and I am very
active in a movement here called the Patriot movement to restore
our government to its constitutional restrictions. Put the beast back
in the box. I will say this, all the misguided Americans who wish to
tear down our country haven't a clue what it really stands for as it
was created. You can like your country but I prefer not to bow to
another human being as being superior to me. I believe in "all men
are created equal". As for guns being illegal = your government has
nothing to fear from you. Neither does any criminal who might want to
take away from you what is yours including your life. On that, I'm sure we'll have to just disagree on. 8)

David M. Leugers

[MovieStuff]

It is so exasperating that many Americans regard theirs as the land of the free, and home of the worlds greatest democracy in the world, without first hand knowledge of anything with which to compare it. Surely this assumed superiority should be questioned.

Likewise, it is just as exasperating that many foreigners maintain their views of America as the most troubled democracy in the world, without first hand knowledge of anything with which to compare it. Surely this assumed superiority should be questioned.

Sorry, just having some fun, but I think you see the frustration many Americans have when a non-American begins to speak out in criticism of the US. It often seems like foreigners think Americans are too stupid to even understand their own problems; as if only people in OTHER countries have a clear view of what REALLY goes on in our political arena or our society.

People in the UK have no more idea of what my everyday problems are with Bush and his band of idiots than I have about the REAL day to day problems brought about by Blair and company on the citizens of Great Britain. I get tired of foreigners going, "The problem with Americur is......" without taking stock of their own
country's shortcomings. We're all just struggling to get along, you know? In that sense we are more alike than we are different, I think.

I find divisiveness numbing and I see it all the time in foreign media where snooty foreign news anchors talk about the US with such a condescending tone of disapproval. These twits don't have a clue what day to day life in the US is like. Hell, they probably couldn't relate to what the average working stiff in their OWN country has to go through to support and protect his family.

It all makes me very weary.

Roger

[MovieStuff]

ownership of a gun in this country is punishable with a five year prison sentence

So? Last I checked, murder using ANY weapon is punishable by death in a LOT of places. Doesn't seem to do any good. Outlawing gun ownership, at least in this country, is a joke. I don't like guns and have no need for them. I also recognize that the law you describe may very well work in your country but, here, there are already too many guns unaccounted for on the streets of a very, very large continent. It would be like passing a law that people can't breath the air or fart in the wind. Passing a law is one thing. Enforcing it is something else.

Roger