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Re: Cheap

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Wow, 3/4 of a million dollars. No wonder the clips look so great! And a super-8 gate to boot. If I need pro telecine you would be my first choice.

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Hahaha, not really. Shadow is kind of a cheap Spirit. Spirit is now one of the best telecine (because I never saw Millenium). What were the correction device ? DaVinci 2K, 888 or Pogle ? Do they have a web-site ?
I do not find anything cheap about a telecine that costs $750,000.
There was quite a bit of research that went into our purchase of the Shadow and one of the factors wasn't that it was a cheap Spirit.
It was the right piece of technology for our clients and our market.
We have a 2k w/defocus and one power tier.
Web site is still in progress.
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I do not find anything cheap about a telecine that costs $750,000.
Yes, but still something like twice cheaper than Spirit.
There was quite a bit of research that went into our purchase of the Shadow and one of the factors wasn't that it was a cheap Spirit.
So why did you choose Shadow ? You know very-well that the shadow does miss many features that are on the Spirit, for exemple, a true HD (1400/1900) and 2k feature.
It was the right piece of technology for our clients and our market.
Yes, now this is right. Philips did created the Shadow because of that. If you don't need all the feature of the Spirit, take a Shadow. But saying that Shadow is not a cheap Spirit is a lie since it it the same but miss features, and is cheaper. Sorry. Understand me, this is a wonderfull piece of telecine. Marvelous. But not as good as Spirit. That's all.
We have a 2k w/defocus and one power tier.
Wonderfull too. I knew few colorist would be mad with only one power tier but this is just a colorist style : other would not even use it.
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Hi guys, first off, let me correct myself, I had my names switched around. As mentioned directly from the source, Flying Spot does not have a Spirit they have a Shadow.

With that out of the way, I just have to say that the comments from Basstruc are really, really hilarious. Absurdly pathetic, but hilarious none the less. I see from your profile that you are an, uh, "Assistant Colorist" and "Assistant Telecine" in Paris. This makes your comments all the more comical, mainly because to have someone who supposedly is in the business make completely unprofessional, shoot from the hip remarks like "the shadow is a cheap version of the spirit" and in an international forum no less, shows really low class on your part. I probably shouldn't even reply to all the "my dad can beat up your dad" comments when comparing telecine machines but since you feel some need to be the alpha male telecine guru and piss in everyones sandbox I figured I would post a few thoughts.

Its funny that all this is coming from a guy who started out by saying that the clips posted on this forum were quite nice and of good quality, (this is of course right before he decided that there was some secret film world illuminati that decided to infiltrate the forum with 16mm clips that were masquerading as Super8).

Wow, so much for the grand idea of having a forum where everyone can come together globally to post ideas and exchange information so that people can actually SHARE something.

All I can say is that if you really are in the business as you claim, then I guess you are destined to stay an "assistant" for eternity, (I like my coffee black, no sugar and grab me a croissant while your at it), because if you really think that a piece of gear costing hundreds of thousands of dollars is merely a "cheap version of a spirit", infer that it does sub-par work, I can only guess as to what your skills in front of a ANY telecine are. The bottom line is the images speak for themselves.

Thats pretty much all I need to say to Basstruc. Mainly because I prefer to talk with adults.....
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There definiton most associated with the word cheap is: Of poor quality.
I am not disputing that the Shadow has less features than the Spirit I just thought it was a poor turn of phrase to describe the Shadow.
Maybe it just a language translation thing.
As I said before it was the appropriate telecine technology for us considering price, features, our market, clients, type of work we do.
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8O I cannot believe what I just red... This is the most insultive post I ever saw here. 8O
What you only did in this post is playing with my integrity without even give me any argument why I could be wrong. I think we technicians have to do with scientific facts. Noticed I said we because it's now clearly relevant that you're from this facility and, by reading the rest of the post, you clearly did faulty commercial by trying to look like a customers. It's really ashame from you. In this forum, we like Super8 and integrity.
Hi guys, first off, let me correct myself, I had my names switched around. As mentioned directly from the source, Flying Spot does not have a Spirit they have a Shadow.
Yes, and at the beginning, when I first noticed you about the difference between Spirit and Shadow, I thought the facility got a Spirit. So it was kind of a compliment.
With that out of the way, I just have to say that the comments from Basstruc are really, really hilarious. Absurdly pathetic, but hilarious none the less. I see from your profile that you are an, uh, "Assistant Colorist" and "Assistant Telecine" in Paris. This makes your comments all the more comical, mainly because to have someone who supposedly is in the business make completely unprofessional, shoot from the hip remarks like "the shadow is a cheap version of the spirit" and in an international forum no less, shows really low class on your part. I probably shouldn't even reply to all the "my dad can beat up your dad" comments when comparing telecine machines but since you feel some need to be the alpha male telecine guru and piss in everyones sandbox I figured I would post a few thoughts.
My dad would be really pleased to beat yours.
Since you don't want to get arguments, here is what the highest international, and Thomson himself, say about the Shadow :

"Spirit-style line array CCD without some of the most expensive bits from a Spirit. There may be less resolution in the (non Kodak designed) optical pickup. I believe there is a data scanning option for this machine. Ask the facility that has one for their summary on the differences between it and the Spirit. "
http://tig.colorist.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TkT_Shadow

"Philips, which made significant headway with the Spirit DataCine scanner/telecine, has now announced Shadow, a telecine that makes key Spirit capabilities affordable for the mid- to lower-end markets."
http://www.postmagazine.com/

"Philips also introduced a relatively low-cost SD digital telecine called Shadow with a new 1332-pixel array. Meant to supplant the aging Quadra line and provide a less-costly alternative for TV stations and archives"
http://millimeter.com/ar/video_mass_convergence_report/

" I have been working on a Shadow for about 6 months, sometimes it will go
out of per for no reason while you are in play and it had a jitter problem,
Phillips sent us some new softwhere that fixed the jitter but not the perf
problem,, as for quality of picture its pretty comparable to a spirit (we
have one next door) the shadow is just not as sharp
.. well what do you expect for half the price

Greg White
colorist
Hollywood Digital"
http://tig.alegria.com/pipermail/tig/20 ... 00149.html

"The Shadow Telecine uses the signa processing concept of the Spirit DataCine and the leverages technology of this flagship products. This is combined with a CCD scanner witch fulfils the requirements for both economical as well as picture fidelity. The result is a very high performance product all the features required for today's digital application but at a greatly reduced cost"
Thomson Grass Valey Shadow Brochure
http://www.thomsongrassvalley.com/docs/ ... dow_br.pdf

I could give you thousands more exemples.
Its funny that all this is coming from a guy who started out by saying that the clips posted on this forum were quite nice and of good quality, (this is of course right before he decided that there was some secret film world illuminati that decided to infiltrate the forum with 16mm clips that were masquerading as Super8).
Where the hell did I said it ???!?
Wow, so much for the grand idea of having a forum where everyone can come together globally to post ideas and exchange information so that people can actually SHARE something.
What are you sharing here ? Hate, Spam and ignorance ? Keep it for you.
All I can say is that if you really are in the business as you claim, then I guess you are destined to stay an "assistant" for eternity, (I like my coffee black, no sugar and grab me a croissant while your at it), I can only guess as to what your skills in front of a ANY telecine are.
If you're stupid enough to pay an assistant at 2k€ per month only to get him buy your croissant, that your way of life, moron.
Now get the fuck out with your facility. Keep on shooting your dog. I poo on your face.
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There definiton most associated with the word cheap is: Of poor quality.
I am not disputing that the Shadow has less features than the Spirit I just thought it was a poor turn of phrase to describe the Shadow.
Maybe it just a language translation thing.
As I said before it was the appropriate telecine technology for us considering price, features, our market, clients, type of work we do.
I do totally agree. Nothing to had.
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Post by S8 Booster »

Is this crap really nessecary?

It is no reason to doubt Shralp and his info / clips posted.


Shralp - why don´t you simply post a full size DV clip 5 seconds or so of the previously posted samples + 1 full size HQ frame caprured from your clips.

This will be more than suffiently to see that your info stands firm.

By the way - it is the next :wink: best telecine I have ever seen but I WANT to see the full size format too.

This is one way you can do it:

Full size DV clip: (50+ mb full size)
ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video ... MK40WP.mov

Smaller Sample: 4+mb
ftp://ftp.filmshooting.com/upload/video ... K40WPs.mov

Small image sample - you need full size:
Image

By doing it this way you can shred all doubts away whatever Telefunken U47 you use.

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It is no reason to doubt Shralp and his info
8O 8O 8O 8O
Sorry to say so but being a former poster in this forum (did far most of my post not logged, but not anonymous), having spent hours to help and advise starters, having tried to be the most constructive here for years and having promote the format and this forums ("a bunch of friends") to hundreds of persons, I think that if I don't get any support to such insults on this post, I'll leave the forum.
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Wind down a little Matt.
I see the point in your slight suspicousness and it it good to get it verified. No problem. But is no problem to do so in a slighly differnet attitude either. :wink:

Viewed through my very long 1D monocular it often seems like a slight comminucation problem. All of us non-native-engilish posters
(Bladdy why didnt you all learn Norweagian when we offered it to you 1000 years ago ;-) or so )
may read or present info with some inaccuracy allowing information to bypass each other and create misunderstandings on both sides. I suggest everyone to read carefully - twice ask if unclear before BIG WORDS are launched. OK :?:

Shralp could have eliminated all this early on by posting what many asked for: BIG SAMPLES - you listen Sharlp?

Your contributions are great. No Offend Bassman.
Communication you see, communication- that´s the key.

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Hi S8 Booster,
your clip looks very sharp, can you tell me the flm stock, camera, and what kind of transfer did you use?

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Post by Andreas Wideroe »

I agree with S8 Booster. Please don't post offensive stuff - it serves no purpose whatsoever and please keep a nice attitude.

Basstruc: We enjoy your posts and the information you provide and are thankful for the time you spend here.

Shralp: I've enjoyed your filmclips and showed them to several of my friends who were impressed.

Ashesoftime: I think I can answer your questions:

Film: Agfachrome 40
Camera: Canon 1014XL
Transfer: WorkPrinter (Norsk Smalfilm - me)

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Hi Ashesoftime. You will find most of the answers here:

AGFA A40 WP TRANSFER

The Camera was a Canon 1014 XL-S, the filmstock was Agfa A40 which is no more avail and the transfer was done on a WorkPrinter by the moderator of this site Andreas / AWAND.

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Sorry - I wasn´t aware of your post. I was probably writing mine while you posted yours. :D

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Post by mattias »

guys, come on. basstruc is french, and although his english is great i'm sure he doesn't know all the nuances of the word cheap and what the common meaning of the word is in every situation there is (i don't either). if a shadow is indeed a less expensive and lower featured spirit (i don't know) i can't see how you can get so upset...

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oops, i see now that you've settled that already. well, let's move on...

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