Call for concrete suggestions re: super 8 society
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im thinking one good thing to do was to produce a really high quality 'commercial' that poeple can download that illustrates the high quality of super8 and compare it to digital video. then make posts all over film and dv forums on the net. mabye itll snag some people....the 'retro cool look" and the professional 'HD' image, all available from one camera. i do suggest doing better shots then the pro8mm sample video has..its pretty bad.
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A net commercial is a great idea - it removes the biggest cost - airtime. Only thing left would be getting it linked as thoroughly as possible. As to the Pro8mm sample vid, yeah, the film looks great, but for some reason they sabotaged it with all that handheld jerkiness. We'll use one a them tripod deals...clips from various sources, viewable as different file formats...?ECNtoo wrote:im thinking one good thing to do was to produce a really high quality 'commercial' that poeple can download that illustrates the high quality of super8 and compare it to digital video. then make posts all over film and dv forums on the net. mabye itll snag some people....the 'retro cool look" and the professional 'HD' image, all available from one camera. i do suggest doing better shots then the pro8mm sample video has..its pretty bad.
audadvnc wrote:
"Compare the number of film stocks available to the number of video stocks available to the average MiniDV user - One! MiniDV!"
Funny, and true.
Regarding the Society and the need for a president or whatnot, I think it can be a bit loose...no need for titles - whoever among us has an interest in this general promotion of S8 as a viable modern capture medium can continue posting to this thread, wherein ideas/suggestions will collect, then we can move it to pm, email, or maybe the S8S site can have an interactive part to it...
So, we keep the momentum up here, and the thing will form itself, just like the universe did...
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I like it. Thats why we elected you president.Mitch Perkins wrote:.....no need for titles - whoever among us has an interest in this general promotion of S8 as a viable modern capture medium can continue posting to this thread, wherein ideas/suggestions will collect, then we can move it to pm, email, or maybe the S8S site can have an interactive part to it...
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The idea of forming a club or society was to create a legal entity that would exist in the business world. It could then apply for grants to fund its efforts. It could even become a nonprofit and request tax free donations. If you want to fund the mfg. of new cameras, slitters, perf machines, film stocks then you will need a lot more than a simple web site. If you get legal statis then you may attract enough members to lobby K with.
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just my two cets worth on a couple of things.
the commercial really needs to be done as well as possible. the latest optics, the steadiest camera as possible, a nice fluid head on a decent tripod...and a huge variety of shots and subject matters. the pro8mm sample doesnt cover much. to see something like this you want to make sure that people from all genras can see a use. fatten up that neg, use the finest grain product (meaning pro8mm just might have to be used) and do some sync. the sample also needs to be able to be download, burned and played on a dvd player and watched on a tv..and it has to look great. the bar has to be high on a project like this because for non film users to make a switch it has to hook them, and to be able to hook it has to be great as possible.
regarding the society being a legal entity...this is not a bad idea providing the goals of the entity are clearly stated and there are expressed goals. it may seem like i am stating the obvious but i have seen many clubs and societies get caught up in running the club instead of getting caught up in doing the things the club was set up to do in the first place. this is usually the outcome of having a vague mission statement or board members not understanding the mission statement or people having their own mission statement. i just want to illustrate my belief in how important an agreed direction, goals and purpose are needed. red tape often also becomes a hassle and nothing moves due to the voluntary nature of clubs and/or because of some members not agreeing or wanting said goals to be met.
lobbying government and lobbying business (in my opinion and experience) are very different. most people are used to lobbying government. it can be said that consumers purchasing products is a form of lobbying in itself. for a club to have so called lobbying power on a compnay it would have to illustrate its buying power. this would essentially make it a co-op or buyers group (and this can be a great thing). this can add to the nature of the society. but this once again ought to be stated in the mission statement.
im not looking at being a downer here, more like trying to pull sharp focus on whats going on here before t shirts and membership cards get printed! ill hold back on the rest. thanks for the audience.
the commercial really needs to be done as well as possible. the latest optics, the steadiest camera as possible, a nice fluid head on a decent tripod...and a huge variety of shots and subject matters. the pro8mm sample doesnt cover much. to see something like this you want to make sure that people from all genras can see a use. fatten up that neg, use the finest grain product (meaning pro8mm just might have to be used) and do some sync. the sample also needs to be able to be download, burned and played on a dvd player and watched on a tv..and it has to look great. the bar has to be high on a project like this because for non film users to make a switch it has to hook them, and to be able to hook it has to be great as possible.
regarding the society being a legal entity...this is not a bad idea providing the goals of the entity are clearly stated and there are expressed goals. it may seem like i am stating the obvious but i have seen many clubs and societies get caught up in running the club instead of getting caught up in doing the things the club was set up to do in the first place. this is usually the outcome of having a vague mission statement or board members not understanding the mission statement or people having their own mission statement. i just want to illustrate my belief in how important an agreed direction, goals and purpose are needed. red tape often also becomes a hassle and nothing moves due to the voluntary nature of clubs and/or because of some members not agreeing or wanting said goals to be met.
lobbying government and lobbying business (in my opinion and experience) are very different. most people are used to lobbying government. it can be said that consumers purchasing products is a form of lobbying in itself. for a club to have so called lobbying power on a compnay it would have to illustrate its buying power. this would essentially make it a co-op or buyers group (and this can be a great thing). this can add to the nature of the society. but this once again ought to be stated in the mission statement.
im not looking at being a downer here, more like trying to pull sharp focus on whats going on here before t shirts and membership cards get printed! ill hold back on the rest. thanks for the audience.
A super 8 society is a great idea. Count me in. I'll be happy to provide a link on my website once there is a site to link to. I would also be willing to offer a society member discount.
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OK, I was messing around tonight and put a S8Society logo and a link back here at http://super8society.com.studiocarter wrote:Exactly!
oh yeah, just to round off the commercial concept...
a commercial might get some play at film festivals before the shorts themselves. a sorta of commercial going into the wonderfull asat the end of itpects of the product...only to let the viewer realise its super8..make em think its a new sort of cheap prosumer HD cam though the whole thing till the end....(the one line that will really hook em halfway through is "the only upgradeable HD camera in the world for higher resolution..."..or something like that..hehehe..just copy the structure of most car ads.
a commercial might get some play at film festivals before the shorts themselves. a sorta of commercial going into the wonderfull asat the end of itpects of the product...only to let the viewer realise its super8..make em think its a new sort of cheap prosumer HD cam though the whole thing till the end....(the one line that will really hook em halfway through is "the only upgradeable HD camera in the world for higher resolution..."..or something like that..hehehe..just copy the structure of most car ads.
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Hee hee hee. That's neat.flatwood wrote:OK, I was messing around tonight and put a S8Society logo and a link back here at http://super8society.com.studiocarter wrote:Exactly!
Popped into head that a collective of S8 feature-makers [dogma style] producing films of undeniable quailty would be an...undeniable testament to the format's potential.
Set some rules, shoot some films - Super 8 Society...
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That's the direction I would like to head with it. Im not so concerned personally with being a champion for the format but more with the films and film makers after seeing what you and Rick have gone through with Sleep Always and what I will face when we get done with Tylerville, Georgia.Mitch Perkins wrote:...of S8 feature-makers [dogma style] producing films of undeniable quailty would be an...undeniable testament to the format's potential. Set some rules, shoot some films - Super 8 Society...
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At the risk of seeming like a smart-ass, perhaps one criteria for joining the Super-8-Society is knowing how to use a light meter? Perhaps the second would be knowing how to use a tape measure to ensure focus? I know these two items seem persnickety but, honestly, if the purpose of the "society" is to promote the use of Super 8, then the quality of product produced by its members should, at the very least, support the notion that super 8 is still a viable medium in the right hands. Anything less is going to be counter-productive, in terms of meeting organizational goals, and won't really serve any function not already served by this and countless other forums where wannabee film makers meet and endlessly shoot the bull. I don't say this to be critical because I have a great deal of respect for everyone here. I say this because I, personally, am frustrated by not having enough time to devote to film projects so anyone that does have time and pisses it away because they don't bother to use a light meter or focus their camera annoys the shit out of me.*
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