awand wrote:I might aswell join the sad eBayer gang. Yesterday I received my second Nizo Professional in a month. I guess most of you remember what my last Nizo looked like? (If not, check the Pictures-section).
This time I got a camera that looked just like it's suppose to look except for the lens, which was broken. The first glass was smashed due to someone dropping the camera. The outer metalring on the lense was also bent. Arg!
This time the seller was honest. It was simply me who didn't spend too much time translating German. I was there, but I didn't see it until now. Well, well... Perhaps I can take the first lense glass off camera no1 and put it on this one.. time will tell.
Ripped off again? Sorry to interrupt the discussion, but a "broken glass" and this description do not fit together. I've been ripped off twice and I'm German, the market became somehow very greedy and rude. People are such a**holes nowadays and trick wherever they can. It's clear this is a typical example where the seller knew foreigners wouldn't understand what what was stated there. "Stossmacke" means "twisted ring etc", never "broken glass/lens". But hey, this is why you should improve your German skills.
auf wiedersehen
P.S. Did you really think a perfect Nizo Professional would be sold for less than 200 Euro on eBay? Pretty naive.
Well, as I already mentioned in a different thread, I got ripped off recently with a Beaulieu R16 body (no lenses). Apparently someone had opened it and either screw something totally or even removed the groundglass.
I bought a c-mount lens, which had a lot of pictures - but not of it's rear, which is dented. Must have been dropped, and now totally out of whack after a shock that dented 3mm thick brass.
A Nizo Integral 10, where someone had also removed soemthing from the viewfinder so that it could not be focussed.
A beaulieu 5008 with defective lightmeter
A beaulieu 4008 totally like garbage
A beaulieu 4008 ZM half way to garbage
..lesson learned: never assume anything. ASK ASK ASK. If you're unfamiliar with the item, and don't know whst to ask (like me with the beaulieus) you will be screwed..
jean wrote:Well, as I already mentioned in a different thread, I got ripped off recently with a Beaulieu R16 body (no lenses). Apparently someone had opened it and either screw something totally or even removed the groundglass.
I bought a c-mount lens, which had a lot of pictures - but not of it's rear, which is dented. Must have been dropped, and now totally out of whack after a shock that dented 3mm thick brass.
A Nizo Integral 10, where someone had also removed soemthing from the viewfinder so that it could not be focussed.
A beaulieu 5008 with defective lightmeter
A beaulieu 4008 totally like garbage
A beaulieu 4008 ZM half way to garbage
..lesson learned: never assume anything. ASK ASK ASK. If you're unfamiliar with the item, and don't know whst to ask (like me with the beaulieus) you will be screwed..
Or use escrew. PayPal charges you couple of dollars for this service. If I have to pay more than $150.00 for any item - it is escrew time. If seller refuses escrew, then I tell him openly: SCREW YOU!
LOL! I think you mean "escrow" - though I must admit the pun is so damn funny you may be making a very clever joke.
I think escrow is a very good idea for any item that is of value. $250 is a good price point, though I could see going escrow on a $100 item if it was rare/important enough.
I view escrow as helpful to both buyer and seller. Many moons ago I dealt a small market in collectibles - before it became the huge market it is today. Back then it was pretty much all your reputation - still is in some circle. Escrow helps me as a seller preserve my rep by ensuring the customer is satisfied. (Sometimes I even agree to split escrow fees with the buyer.)
It's also a pretty good litmus test, IMHO: a buyer who refuses to go escrow on a $500 camera is simply not to be trusted.
calgodot wrote:
It's also a pretty good litmus test, IMHO: a buyer who refuses to go escrow on a $500 camera is simply not to be trusted.
The problem is that escrow can be abused, as well. I had a friend that was selling a very expensive RB67 camera, complete with lenses and backs, etc. The buyer requested escrow and my friend agreed. He shipped off the camera and waited to hear if the guy was satisfied. Now, I forget what the amount of time is that the buyer has to declare acceptance or refusal but we're pretty sure it was also enough time to use the camera and then return it, claiming that there was a problem. So the buyer basically gets to use the camera for free for a day and then return it. The worst part was that he broke the shutter mechanism just to make it look like there was previous damage, which I know for a fact there wasn't. So my friend doesn't sell his camera AND gets it back damaged. What a pisser.
