Lomography introduces handcranked 35mm Lomokino Movie Camera

[Tscan]

I just came accross the add from Lomo today. I can't believe it's for 35mm. That's cool, but you will only have about 2 seconds worth of footage per roll. I've been expecting them to come out with a cheapo S8 camera and maybe film too.

The S8 route is what I'm hoping for -- also hoping that this thing is a gateway drug to any number of film "moving picture" concepts where the premise is "look how cool it is to use film images and make them move."

I love shooting stills on Lomo stock, it has a unique look compared to Kodak and Fuji.

Here's a short I made 2 years ago with Lomo film stills and a Bolex H16, frame by frame...
http://vimeo.com/10902902

[BAC]

Here's a short I made 2 years ago with Lomo film stills and a Bolex H16, frame by frame...
http://vimeo.com/10902902

After watching your short and some of the samples on the Lomo site they seem to have about the same frame rate. What frame rate did you use? By the way, "The Picture Dance" is awesome.

[Patrick]

It seems yo me that it has a small lens, plastic for sure

That's what I figured when I first heard about this camera. However, upon seeing some of the clips on Vimeo, the quality of the optics seems quite good. On other clips, it looks rather average and sometimes crap. I'm guessing that with the best looking clips, the lens may have been used at mid aperture. There's also the chance that some samples of the lens are better than others - perhaps quality control during production is variable.

[grainy]

I just came accross the add from Lomo today. I can't believe it's for 35mm. That's cool, but you will only have about 2 seconds worth of footage per roll. I've been expecting them to come out with a cheapo S8 camera and maybe film too.

The S8 route is what I'm hoping for -- also hoping that this thing is a gateway drug to any number of film "moving picture" concepts where the premise is "look how cool it is to use film images and make them move."

I love shooting stills on Lomo stock, it has a unique look compared to Kodak and Fuji.

Here's a short I made 2 years ago with Lomo film stills and a Bolex H16, frame by frame...
http://vimeo.com/10902902

Hey - that video is a gas. I've seen techniques like this before but you add a lot of wit and interest to it. I like the bows at the end too - ha ha. (and I recognise that s8 sticker on the fridge; it's my local coffee joint!)
Yeah, I do a lot of toy camera photography myself -- lots of fun, and great looking stuff. Nice music too. I actually use a few Holga and LCA stills in the super 8 short I've got that's running the festival circuit now. http://lastcityintheeast.blogspot.com/
I think the lomography folks have done a hundred times more than anyone to bring that art into the public eye, arguably they're a big part of saving still photography for younger folks.
That said, I think using stills and animating them manually gives you a LOT more control than the new lomokino. But I find its problems to be either interesting challenges artistically, or to be things to consider when perhaps making a modification to improve it. In my world of worlds, they would've built a super 8 or 8mm hand crank (not sure if the s8 cartridges would like being cranked).

[Tscan]

Yeah- I'm really happy about what Lomo has been doing for analog photography. They are always keeping it interesting with new stocks and novelty cameras.

With "The Picture Dance" I was going for a sort of "mechanized" motion effect with the animation. Maybe I'll give that new camera a try?

[reflex]

Yeah- I'm really happy about what Lomo has been doing for analog photography. They are always keeping it interesting with new stocks and novelty cameras.

I disagree. I think it makes more sense to scrounge a decent used SLR and shoot some quirky film types from a local camera shop.

[8mm]

OK, it's an interesting idea that I welcome, everything that someone is willing to produce that use chemical film is a good thing. However I feel that this particular camera could be modified in a number of way to make it just a little bit better, as it is now I think it's just a sill camera that takes a number of pictures in a row.
For me to classify it as a movie camera it should be able to have a frame speed of about 12 fps, 4-5 is not enough for film making. It's a great idea to use 35 mm still picture rolls that are still easy to find, so that is a concept that should be maintained.
But what if the camera would be built so that it shoots only at half of the 35 mm film? Like a double 8 camera that use 16 mm? Than you could load the Lomokino with a roll of 35 mm, expose the half of it, reload it again and shoot the other half of it. In the Lomokino kit along with the viewer would then be a splicer that you would splice the original 35 mm film with yourself to get two filmstrips of 17,5 mm film! Thus getting a twice the long film from a 35 mm film and therefore allowing you to have a faster frame rate. Also I thing the Lomokino kit should include, ore offered as optional, some sort of simple hand cranked projector.

[granfer]

:roll: :roll:

[71er]

I don't understand the discussion. It is what it is: a very cheap way of taking moving pictures. Some people will find it fun - like there is more than enough out there who like the blury pictures of a lomo camera - and others won't like the lack of precision and the jumpy picture. I count myself into the first group, I find the concept with the 35 mm film interesting and the demonstration film on the Lomo website appeals to me.

Also I thing the Lomokino kit should include, ore offered as optional, some sort of simple hand cranked projector.

You can get a hand cranked viewer for it.

[MovieStuff]

I think it is hilarious that anyone shooting super 8 or 8mm film for fun would think that this Lomo camera is a waste of time and money. Irony is totally lost on you guys. ;)

I think it's quite wonderful, in its own way.

[Lunar07]

There are different threads to this argument. Many are not buying the argument that took this camera SERIOUSLY. As I said: Helpful? Yes! To be taken seriously? No! It is a toy! I guess hidden behind most of this is what others want to see as helping in their artistic endeavours. Thus, the discussion on mass producing 35mm film that even touched on Aaton and Panavision All through the LOMO. You would think that Thomas Edison ancient drum movie machine that displayed frames by rotating a cylindrical drum would generate this high spirited discussion. Edison's Dancing Fatima or The Harem of The Forbidden Safari, anyone?

Anyway, any plans for a WorkPrinter - Analogue Version to handle the new LOMO toy? Transfering its footage to video that is Call it the 'The Gloriously Analogue Sniper' or something like that. How about a PXL 2000 to capture the footage analoguesly speaking of course looooooooooool (HAHAHAHA - I am just amusing myself with brilliant ideas)

I think it is hilarious that anyone shooting super 8 or 8mm film for fun would think that this Lomo camera is a waste of time and money. Irony is totally lost on you guys. ;)

I think it's quite wonderful, in its own way.

[Lunar07]

And OH, when we shoot Super8 and 8mm and people ask us: What is that? Should we answer: It is an analogue picture recorder? hehehehehehe

[Will2]

I think all of us probably thought, "Make it 100' loads and maybe add a motor and now we're talking..."

Love the 2-perf idea, I've been hoping for a 2-perf eyemo for many years; closest I can get would cost about $6000 to make it. If you can do it with plastic gears, why not? Looks like fun.

[fairchild]

This looks really interesting! Ive never cared too much for Lomography but Im gonna get this :mrgreen:

[filmfan]

I think Sergio Leone would have liked this. Didn't he shoot his spaghetti westerns using 2 perf Techniscope?