Is it dead here or just me??

[super8man]

Reflex,

Have you checked out the KORG DS10 for the Nintendo DS? It's kind of retro (or not) but I think it would be of interest to you (and your retrothing.com blog).

I have it - very cool if I do say so myself.

[aj]

Hey Nigel,

The forum is really quiet. Without the couple of dozen regulars dropping in once in a while, all you'd hear would be the tumbleweeds bouncing through Roger's paintings.

I think it's partially a demographic thing. Most of the people who picked up Super 8 filmmaking in the 90s and early 00s have moved on to other things or jumped headfirst into the world of professional cinematography

The other part of the equation is technology. Ten years ago, Super 8 produced markedly better results than video. These days, you can pick up a surprisingly good HD camera, color grading software and an NLE app for only a few thousand bucks. The widespread adoption of 16:9 doesn't help. Grainy, silent 4:3 footage looks old fashioned to the new generation of professionals coming of age in a digital world.

The site lost most s8 content to other sites. Onsuper8.org nicely and cheerfully manages articles and news. It even has paying advertisers! Manuals have gone and are now on super8.no and elsewhere. Image and video hosting is now plentiful everywhere. So few passersby from these users wander into the forum.

Also the spam-abuse forced the new user registration to stricter handling, thus slower. Also the split up into many dedicated forums makes this forums quieter as there is no interaction.

I thought the modern artistic S8 users were lured by the grainy filmlooks Considering all trouble people have with old cameras one would not expect the image quality to be that attractive.

Not to forget the camerahandling, poorly handheld, but this the same for s8 and video. Or not? Heavy S8 camera vs lightweight video with stabilizer. Editing of video is more time consuming as the people easily shoot 1 hour where on s8 they would limit themselves to a few minutes. The film-academy, what is in a name as it is mostly video, used to work with s8 film for some time in first projects to teach students to shoot efficiently. Later on video would then be not overused that much, they reckoned.

[VideoFred]

Well... this is my humble contribution to the format:
http://www.vimeo.com/6751675

password: videofred.
Please register and download the full version.

With some post processing S8 can look very modern

Fred.

[Nicholas Kovats]

Your Super 8 work is superlative Fred.

I very much appreciate your efforts and would like to test this AviSynth script/processing in the near future. The 64T interpretation and color pallete is lovely, i.e. soft muted colors, no filmgate weave, I get a sense of the subdued skylight (am I right?) and white fleshtones are natural.

I have never seen Super 8 film look so good on Vimeo as your work...consistently.

Is it a generalized script for various S8 filmstocks or specifically for 64T? Have you tried upscaling to 1920 x 1080p? And if so does anything get "exaggerated"?

I wonder how the script would handle a sudden transition from high to low contrast? Bright sun to shadow?

[Nicholas Kovats]

Reflex.

Where are you located in Canada?

That "old-fashioned" look ...is still great for conveying many ideas. It is funny to see the effort extended and money spent by DV users to "reproduce" classic depth of field.

There are many benefits to film. It's a long list.

With all this wonderful 1080p HD equipment at their fingertips I still witness a plethora of badly edited work without an inkling of the power of sound.

Or all technique and no sense of rhythm or economy of a shot.

The economics, scale, great DOF, glorious swirling film grain, contrast range of Super 8 film can provide a solid base and foundation for potentially great little works of art

[reflex]

Reflex.
Where are you located in Canada?

That "old-fashioned" look ...is still great for conveying many ideas. It is funny to see the effort extended and money spent by DV users to "reproduce" classic depth of field.

I'm in Calgary. I agree with you about the benefits of film, and I still shoot film because of the look and feel of it. But just because we love it and use it doesn't mean that others are tripping over themselves to join us.

[Blue Audio Visual]

Also the spam-abuse forced the new user registration to stricter handling, thus slower.

Perhaps if Andreas could lessen his load a bit by allowing someone else to be moderator/approve registration things might perk up a bit? Who wants to sign up if too many hurdles are put up in your way?

We need someone well-tempered, reasonable, patient and un-opinionated. I vote for AJ!!!

[VideoFred]

Is it a generalized script for various S8 filmstocks or specifically for 64T?

It was made to improve my old Super-8 and Single-8 films, so it will work with all kinds of filmstock. But the parameters must be set according to the filmstock.

The full package can be downloaded from here:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=144271

Have you tried upscaling to 1920 x 1080p? And if so does anything get "exaggerated"?

It makes no sence to upscale an original 1024x768 file. For the 1080p format we need a high res. camera to capture the film.

I wonder how the script would handle a sudden transition from high to low contrast? Bright sun to shadow?

A sudden transition must be tweaked at the source: the transfer machine. My script will try to adjust the levels, but this is limited.

Thank you for the compliments :oops:

Fred.

[VideoFred]

Now, about this Forum: I have joined it in May 25, 2004 at 9:15 am

We have had some discussions here... not always about film. But I must say I am very thankfull Andreas has offered us the opportunity to meat each other. All my film contacts world wide are related with this Forum.

It is up to us, filmfreaks, to start interesting film related topics to keep this forum alive. I do not mind about the security rules.. It keeps the spammers away

Fred.

[S8 Booster]

one factor may be that all the "news" surfaced regarding S8 in particular since the Y2K or even since 1997 is discontinuation, declining figures, lab shutdowns, plant shutdowns, cart problems, jitter issues etc etc....
the general boost these news generates is only that of an downward accelerating spiral, quite the opposite of what most of us wanted or wished our foreseeable filming future should be like.

to me the downward progress started with the discontinuation of the K40 sound film. i was about to re-enter the S8 at a high mode when the first thing hit me in my face: discontinuation of the S8 K40 sound!!!

shit, but ok,,,,lets try to live with what we got....

well count in all the ass-mares adding at an increasing rate after that.

for the time being i have a general feeling of anxious silence before next progress,,,, the final countdown...that both Kodak and Fuji put their S8/S8 production lines to a halt leaving the bits and pieces to 3rd parties - as long as it goes.

i do have a full rig 16mm Scoopic MS with 400´mag in place for the next "level".....in case or when...surfing on th 16mm wave as long as it flows....

replacing film with any kind of video is and will never be an option.

real beauty of film can only be achieved in 1-click modus by real film cameras.....

enjoy,....

your shoot.....

[granfer]

Not dead then! 41 posts on this thread alone since Sunday last!

[BK]

Where are all the shooters hiding? Just the Bye-bye Kodachrome topic is over 100 views. Maybe they are actually making films out there rather than waste time on the forums. What we need is like in the good old days with free manuals, a gallery to show off our gear, and uploads of our movie masterpieces on this site.

Bill

[Charlie Blackfield]

one factor may be that all the "news" surfaced regarding S8 in particular since the Y2K or even since 1997 is discontinuation, declining figures, lab shutdowns, plant shutdowns, cart problems, jitter issues etc etc....
(...)

Is it really? What about the new filmstocks that have come out, better telecine facilities, new festivals that were established during the last few years?

[etimh]

...replacing film with any kind of video is and will never be an option.

Right on brother.

Tim

[StoneBuilder]

The price of Super8 cameras on UK eBay is slowly rising - though there are bargains still to be had.The Canon sound models often go for a song. After adopting the internet as a tool of communication people may now be starting to say 'ok, now I'm going to listen to the birds sing, talk to a person with arms and legs'. All forums I know seem quiet.