Exotic Super-8 film from Northkorea

Post by **MovieMaker** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:27 am

Maybe thatÃ‚Â´s a start:

http://www.korea-dpr.com

and as another German member mentioned this is a still of a Korean 35mm/16mm emulsion where he thinks the Super8 film has been made on special order:

http://www.nordkorea-info.de/images/Fil ... Kopie2.jpg

Imagine these colors for a modern musicclip...

Hmmm... even if it is special order - they must have the machine to do it 8O

MovieMaker

Post by **lastcoyote** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:32 am

mathis wrote:
Angus wrote: Well you know they probably have the internet...they have it in China too,
China has a big firewall which prevents the Chinese of being able to surf outside China. I donÃ‚Â´t know the other way round though.

This is quite true, now you see this message, was sent from China Shenzhen, in here.. quite some websites are "Unable to reach"... for one very example, all sites in Geocities cannot be "ENTER"!

Post by **timdrage** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:37 am

Patrick wrote:By the way, Ive heard of some 35mm still film called Lucky Star film.

http://www.luckyfilm.com/eng/index.html

article about photography business in china. Kodak own %20 of Lucky! -
http://www.chinatoday.com.cn/English/e2 ... 02/p22.htm

they do make colour reversal print stock!:
http://www.luckyfilm.com/eng/products_1_3.html

This film is available in 35mm, 32mm, 16mm, (16*2)mm, (8.75*2)mm size and various convenient packings, or other size and quantities of packing on request.

- weird sizes!!

Post by **gianni1** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:15 am

I think the web's open, (in the PRC) however I'll check it with my collegues and students. I think you have to be registered with the govt ISP (Internet Service Provider), thus potentially monitored while using the internet, and all domestic websites are vetted... which explaines their interest when I discuss security, like embedding encripted text data inside pdf, jpeg or mov files...

G

Angus wrote:

...Strange...a work colleague has a Chinese friend inside China and she regularly emails him, tells him about websites she's visited.

Methinks China is not quite as closed as that.

Post by **jpolzfuss** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:30 am

Carlos 8mm wrote:I was wondering If China manufactures Super 8 film, too.

Hi,

Lossau's camera/projectors books only list one Chinese Super8-camera and states that China used 8,75mm-film (with Super8-perforation) instead of Super8 for their homemarkets...

JÃƒÂ¶rg

Post by **lastcoyote** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:54 am

gianni1 wrote:I think the web's open, (in the PRC) however I'll check it with my collegues and students. I think you have to be registered with the govt ISP (Internet Service Provider), thus potentially monitored while using the internet, and all domestic websites are vetted... which explaines their interest when I discuss security, like embedding encripted text data inside pdf, jpeg or mov files...

G

Angus wrote:
...Strange...a work colleague has a Chinese friend inside China and she regularly emails him, tells him about websites she's visited.

Methinks China is not quite as closed as that.

Yes the web is open, but not all of them. Some of the sites were blocked. It's pretty frustrating, plus it's slow. I know it because I suffer it everyday.

Post by **timdrage** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:51 am

http://www.nordkorea-info.de/images/Fil ... Kopie2.jpg

Imagine these colors for a modern musicclip...

I love that classic communist propaganda look... would certainly be amazing to be able to shoot film like that! Tho minus the communism.

jpolzfuss wrote: Lossau's camera/projectors books only list one Chinese Super8-camera and states that China used 8,75mm-film (with Super8-perforation) instead of

- could the "(8.75*2)mm" size i quoted from the Lucky site actually possibly be Double 8.75mm!?!? Now that would be an obscure format!!.

If companies in China still make 8.75mm, assuming it actually does have the same perforations as S8*... and they also make 16mm... then it seems feasible to me that they could possibly make DS8 footage fairly easily?

(* and not just the same sized sprocket holes but with a different pitch?)

Post by **downix** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:46 pm

Hmm, where can one order the film, however? I noticed Lucky sells motion picture 35mm and 16mm as well, so very curious to see. (I like the look of that still, could be handy for a project a friend of mine is working on)

Post by **timdrage** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:36 pm

Not sure, didn't find any indication of where to buy on their site, and I stopped research for now in favour of less interesting but more important stuff I have to do today!

Anyway, it's an interesting line of enquiry... aside from tracking down this legendary NK s8, the possibilities of being able to buy cheap and/or unusual film stocks generally from China and other far eastern countries are very interesting. In my brief googlings I saw reference to Indian film brands too, which could be worth looking into as well?

Post by BK » Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:16 pm

Patrick wrote:By the way, Ive heard of some 35mm still film called Lucky Star film. Apparently, quite grainy with outlandish colours...don't know if this film comes from the same company that you were discussing, Bill. I was chatting with someone from the West in a chat room who orders this film to create arty images.

Possible, if the film has made in China printed on the box.

I remember during my visit to Beijing in 1997 I ran out of my Fuji 35mm still film, so I got a couple of rolls of Lucky colour at the nearest photo shop because they were the cheapest available, plus I was curious to try it out just to see what the results are like.

Upon my return to Hong Kong I handed my Lucky films to the 1 hour processors, and the lady there just shook her head when she saw them and warn me about the crappy results of this particular film. But it wasn't bad at all, it had a very grainy look to it for a 100 asa print film, and a bias towards magenta...not surprisingly.

Whilst in Beijing I had a quick tour of the photo stores and flea markets... full of Russian made cameras such as the Krasnogorsk K3, also the super 8 Zenit and Chinese made still cameras such as the Seagull, the Great Wall ( which is a Chinese Mamiya 645) I also came across a rare Chinese Hongqi ( Red Flag ) clockwork 16mm triple lens movie camera.Unfortunately the seller was asking a outrageous price of US$1000 for it.

In the end I bought a Zenit super 8 outfit together with a Pycb projector and a Great Wall camera.

Bill

Post by BK » Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:25 pm

MovieMaker wrote: German member mentioned this is a still of a Korean 35mm/16mm emulsion where he thinks the Super8 film has been made on special order:

http://www.nordkorea-info.de/images/Fil ... Kopie2.jpg

Imagine these colors for a modern musicclip...

This reminds me of the look of the East German Orwo 35mm slide films back in the 70's.

Bill

Post by **tlatosmd** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 5:58 pm

That one doesn't only look like Communist propaganda colors. I guess up to the 60s, a lot of films looked like that internationally. Technicolor? Agfacolor?

Post by **Herb Montes** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:09 pm

Looks like the folks who import Fomapan into the U.S. also carry Lucky Film.

http://www.jandcphoto.com/index.asp?Pag ... ategory=99

Post by **jpolzfuss** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:28 pm

timdrage wrote:
jpolzfuss wrote: Lossau's camera/projectors books only list one Chinese Super8-camera and states that China used 8,75mm-film (with Super8-perforation) instead of
- could the "(8.75*2)mm" size i quoted from the Lucky site actually possibly be Double 8.75mm!?!? Now that would be an obscure format!!.

Sounds like the cameras are indeed "Double 8.75mm"!?!?
(BTW: There seems to be a "double 16mm-camera, too!?!?)

timdrage wrote: If companies in China still make 8.75mm, assuming it actually does have the same perforations as S8*... and they also make 16mm... then it seems feasible to me that they could possibly make DS8 footage fairly easily?

(* and not just the same sized sprocket holes but with a different pitch?)

Sounds true... but I wonder if Kodak (as one of the owners of Lucky) would like the idea of Lucky competing with Kodak on the Super8-market ;)

Post by **Angus** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 3:03 pm

Retro Photographic in the UK http://www.retrophotographic.co.uk

Sell Fomapan 16mm and 8mm reversal film...as well as the Foma range of 35mm still films, Lucky 35mm films and various other weird & wonderful concoctions...films from Russia and so on.

FOr anybody interested in B&W photography, real dark rooms and so on...give them a look.