future of film

[S8 Booster]

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To create a dobly digital print (and it is possible on S8 but the sound would probably be dreadful) you would need a release print via a negative as it cannot be done on reversal stock.

Well, I was more thinking of a pure digital data code anyway. I believe that the Dolby Digital encoding as such is way too complex and big for primary S8 recording.

The latest digital ATRAC encoding (usually mentioned as compressed but basically not, just encoded) is now available and offers a very small streaming format with sound quality close or equal to or better than the original CD sound. I think (from my softdisk) that the data rate is 128 kbits/sec/stereo 16 bit (basically 20 bit resolution).

Mono recording and lower resolution drops tehe data rate to 1/4th I think: (MD 4 times recording time)

Seen the latest Sony IP55 cams with bluetooth interface and streaming MPEG video? Knock off a video via the cellular phone!

Posted earlier under "just another manic eh... format"


Just another insane idea:
Add another invisible film layer on a new design S8 film and laser print (Using invisible range of laser other light or something) the sound on the same image without disturbing the picture image. No problem at all these days I believe.

Not really a joke but way too expensive.


Sound stripes KODAK!!, sound stripes. Pizza cake?
We do have cams for sound recording already you know.
Wanna sales boost?
Sales 6-doubled once again?

To all the S8 fans out there:
Do not fill your freezers with new sound striped films fans (If they ever get available again): Shoot´m immediately and buy more instantly!

Dream´n allowed on this board?


R

[David M. Leugers]

If you want to have a long threaded discussion, just bring up the question about the future of film. 8) Kodak gets blasted all the time, but where would we be today without their support, not just today, but during the past twenty years when everyone was racing to video? Mag stripe film I long lament and even wrote a long letter to the president of Kodak expressing my feelings about the abandonment of the sound cartridge. I received a personal letter back, not a form letter mind you, from the top guy who sympathized with me and fellow film lovers. Economics and the EPA is what killed it. I do not foresee it ever coming back unless some other company (Fomapan, Orwo, Ilford ??) decides to risk a great deal of money to make it happen. Today we can move on and with computers and new sound recording technologies, we can produce great sound films. I think everyone's efforts towards perfecting an easy method of capturing sound during filming and syncing up afterwards for editing and projecting back in film (not a video print) would help preserve what we love about film for a long time to come. As long as some type of photographic film is being made somewhere in the world, we can have film cut down and perfed for use in our cameras. I think a cottage industry for producing film and equipment is what is needed to insure the future of film. Digital going to be the only method of professional filmaking in the future? Maybe so, but theatres will no longer be needed IMHO. You can get the same experience watching a DVD on a quality widescreen TV. I've said it here before, using our film cameras and making a projectable film is a craft, one that I particularly enjoy. Shooting video has its place, but does not replace film for the uses film still has. Making a film is hard work, but the final result is worth it. By the way, film emulsions and bases may change over the years, but a roll of 35mm motion picture stock today can be placed in a 1903 Pathe camera and film away. Same for an 80 year old Kodak or Bell and Howell 16mm camera. Or a 70 year old R-8mm camera. Don't tell me film is no longer film, it is as long as I can run it through my camera! I would like to see a movement towards roll film cameras and stock so we no longer have the problems of the cartridge. I think reproducing the special cartridge for sound may be the biggest hurdle to overcome in bringing mag-striped sound cartridges back. I am still interested in seeing if Roger can modify his Fujica camera to a roll-film camera. I am shooting a test roll of an old out-of-date Kodachrome DS-8mm with both a Canon and Bolex DS-8mm cameras. I hope the film is still good enough for the camera test. If all goes well, I might not use a cartrige ever again. I just wish more film emulsions were available...

[Old Uncle Barry]

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David:
Well said,you have saved me writing the same piece!Your sentiments are exactly what was needed for this thread.What is more,I agree with them 100%.
I love shooting my film (film with sprocket holes that is) a lashing up a sync method afterwards,this is what makes it fun and not bogged down with deep technicalities.

[S8 Booster]

Just joing in with the two previous gentlemen doing separate sound recording for post sync. This is about half the fun.

The only drawback with the current situation is that it is a litte problematic to get the film post striped. Will manage but a little problematic.

This is only a problem for me?
or those few?
that still projects film of course.


Looking forward to see the first film posted that is actually cut/edited in the film material as well as sound edited on the sound stripes.

That will be kind of a new reference?
Or did I go to far now?

R