WTB: Canon Scoopic DS8

DS8user · Post by **DS8user** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:16 am

I know I'm playing devil's advocate here, but there were only two purpose-built DS8 models ever made (if you don't count the Russian clockwork job and the odd Bolex conversion). I couldn't hazard a guess at the number of working DS8 cameras there are out there, but I'm sure it wouldn't be economical for Kodak to get back into making and marketing the stuff as an off-the-shelf item. That said, I've spent quite a lot of time talking with Kodak sales people in the USA and Europe and all I get is conflicting statements (K25 DS8 is in the current catalogue, and it's not. It's available on special order, and it's not. And so on. . ).

Post by **Cranium** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 6:39 pm

I wouldn't expect them to offer it as an off the shelf item. Didn't figure they would.
I just thought I'd look into a quantity buy, if they'd do it.
and I get the same "K25 DS8 is in the current catalogue, and it's not. It's available on special order, and it's not. And so on. . " action.

Personally, at this point I'd rather get something other than even K25, just for processing's sake. With DS8, in color neg, you'd be able to take it to just about any lab that does 16mm color neg. Maybe 100T neg? But beggars can't be choosers

basstruc · Post by **basstruc** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 7:34 pm

Have you tried Kahl Film ( http://www.kahlfilm.de ), since they already sell Orwo B&W and color reversal stock rebiffed in DS8, i'm preatty sure they would agree to do some other stocks in special order.
Matt

Post by **paul** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 8:06 pm

yeah..good idea.. it would be a good idea also to arrange another poll for double super 8 stocks..which one to pick..

Post by **mattias** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 9:58 pm

basstruc wrote:Have you tried Kahl Film

well, don't. they fucked up my video transfer twice (they used a film chain twice, even though i had prepaid them for a rank transfer), stalling my project for months, and finally when they got it right they had left a huge scratch over several seconds of my film as well as lots of dust all over the place. worst though, they didn't even answer any of the several emails and regular mails i sent asking for an explanation or possibly some compensation. they are simply completely dishonest crooks with no sense for customer care whatsoever. i don't hate many people, but i do hate them, and i would love to see them go out of business, or even better, die and go to hell...

/matt

basstruc · Post by **basstruc** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:12 pm

i don't hate many people, but i do hate them, and i would love to see them go out of business, or even better, die and go to hell...

Wow.... have you tried...euh... therapy ?

matt

basstruc · Post by **basstruc** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 10:16 pm

Ok ... to sum up, every buisness that own Super8 or Double Super8 perforation machine are fuckers. So what can we do ? Tried to do super8 stock from 35mm with our teeth ??
Matt

Post by **jessh** » Thu Sep 19, 2002 11:40 pm

super8sound might be able to make some DS8 stock out of 35mm, I don't know hwo reconfigurable their equipment is, but it would be worth a try to ask them. Since they are mainly interested in the professional end of super8 they may be interested in DS8 as well, they would probably start buying up cameras and reselling them at insane prices though :-)

~Jess

Post by **walter** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 7:52 am

DS8 b/w cine film is produced by the german company http://www.filmotec.de check their homepage. I think they have all the equipment to do 'special orders' with this format. Ask your questions directly to filmotec, if there are a lots of mails concerning DS8 maybe they consider to go on with this format.
DS8 and R8 cine films in b/w is good for special effects, for test film to test vintage cameras and it is the best choice for documentation purpose. These films can be easily developed in home laboratory!
We should try to encourage at least two companies to produce this kind of film stock - and to sell it directly to the customers (to get rid of the dealers which only increases price for the end users). I think Foma and Filmotec are worth to get our focus concerning b/w film stock. Help this companies to survive, Kodak does not pay attention to our needs because these products will not bring 'great money' nowadays.
Maybe we should consider this thoughts in a new forum - we must preserve the future for 8mm cine film by focusing on some reliable companies NOW!
Walter

Post by **mattias** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 10:26 am

basstruc wrote:Wow.... have you tried...euh... therapy ?

no but i tried spending a considerable amount of my own money and months of my life to make a film only to almost have it ruined by them. it didn't kill me however, so i got stronger and there's no need for therapy. i just use them to channel my agression once in a while, like in karate practice when i'm about to give up after a few hundred jodan tsukis standing in a deep shiko dachi... :-)

every buisness that own Super8 or Double Super8 perforation machine are fuckers. So what can we do?

good point. ;-) i guess we can buy the stock from them but let them know we're not going to buy anything else from them or use any of their services because we do think they are "fuckers"...

/matt

shoot1st · Post by **shoot1st** » Fri Sep 20, 2002 3:04 pm

super8sound might be able to make some DS8 stock out of 35mm, I don't know hwo reconfigurable their equipment is, but it would be worth a try to ask them.

I've already done that - it seems that Super8 and DS8 are cut from 35mm stock in different ways (something to do with how the 8mm perfs lie on the cutter dies), so they can only produce Super8 for cartridge loading. I guess that only leaves Kodak - unless they've sold their cutting equipment already!