Lomography introduces handcranked 35mm Lomokino Movie Camera

[MIKI-814]

you will only have about 2 seconds worth of footage per roll

Not really. It runs at 3-5 fps and if it can register 144 frames per film roll...

[reflex]

The flash hot shoe makes this a really fun way to shoot low budget stop-motion on 35mm. The only main issue I see is that there's no easy way to digitize or project your footage. A flatbed scanner just doesn't cut it.

From my friend Peter who got to play with one at the Berlin Mitte Lomography shop on Thursday:

It's really brilliant -- the "macro" mode is a squeeze trigger, not a switch, which should allow for some really crazy depth of field switches. And they especially designed their new flash to recharge quickly enough that you can do a sort of all-flash mode, at extremely low fps.

(can't recall exactly how that one worked, but they worked out a way to slow the crank in order to give their new brisk flash time to recharge)

oh yeah, and they made a cute little viewer - with the positive film, just run it through the viewer to watch your films.

Plus, they are offering a high-res scan of the film into motion ... need to find out how high-res.

[grainy]

I just came accross the add from Lomo today. I can't believe it's for 35mm. That's cool, but you will only have about 2 seconds worth of footage per roll. I've been expecting them to come out with a cheapo S8 camera and maybe film too.

The S8 route is what I'm hoping for -- also hoping that this thing is a gateway drug to any number of film "moving picture" concepts where the premise is "look how cool it is to use film images and make them move."

[Patrick]

The only main issue I see is that there's no easy way to digitize or project your footage. A flatbed scanner just doesn't cut it.

Ive been thinking more about this myself. One could use a neg scanner and scan two frames or so with each pass and then manually crop each frame? Alternatively, a flat bed scanner could be used to scan a whole row of frames and then crop. Regardless, this would likely result in registration issues though I guess stabilisation software might correct this. It was mentioned that some technically minded person could likely come up with some software adaptation that can automatically crop each frame.

By the way, regarding dedicated neg scanners vs. flatbed scanners that do have the ability to scan transparency film....is it true that neg scanners will always give better quality results compared with flatbeds when scanning 35mm negs / slides? Someone pointed that out once online but I wasn't sure if it was universally accepted.

With this camera, I notice that the effective shutter speed is 1/100th of a second. Though surely that would depend on how fast you're winding? Unless it's a unique shutter mechanism that operates independantly of the winding speed.

[grainy]

re: processing: Apparently as of now, Lomography stores will develop, scan, and burn to "CD" your results.

This from a new link from Facebook:
We are proud to introduce our LomoKino lab service – it’s simple – shoot your moving masterpieces with your new LomoKino and then head over to USA Lomography Gallery Stores, drop off your rolls and then come back a few days later and get your completed movies on a CD – ready to share with the world!
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[grainy]

The only main issue I see is that there's no easy way to digitize or project your footage. A flatbed scanner just doesn't cut it.

With this camera, I notice that the effective shutter speed is 1/100th of a second. Though surely that would depend on how fast you're winding? Unless it's a unique shutter mechanism that operates independantly of the winding speed.

I'm interested myself -- I hope this is not the case but the shutter speed sounds suspiciously like their still camera offerings. Is it simply a fast-firing still camera shutter? Seems like it's life expectency would be limited then (and the crank speed as well)

[beamascope]

144 frames? It's the Twitter of film making!

[Patrick]

I bet Oliver Stone will like this camera! In U-Turn, he made use of hand cranked cameras with narrow shutter angles for a distorted sense of reality. Not sure of the frame rate though.

[Lunar07]

hehehehehehe
A toy it is, but I would not be so hard in my judgment.
It has its application as a tool for creating some effects that can be added to a project. People who buy this, specially film makers, as an end in itself are certainly throwing their money away. But people who position this as another tool in their tool box would gain here and there from it. Think of Fisher-Price PXL 2000. Actually, the PXL 2000 is much better adapted as an artsy tool.
Having said that, everything this toy does can be done with a script in Sony's Vegas for example OR from a series of pictures that can be transported back into a movie format. Just remove frames at random intervals from a scene. It is simpler than transporting the footage from this into a digital format.
All in all, I fail to see the point or the excitement. I would rather have the PXL2000 for some cool effects.

Is it me... or has everyone gone MENTAL????

LOMO have introduced nothing more than a simple BOX camera using 35 mm film with a panoramic ratio-(nothing new there)- with one simple addition....
A handle that one can turn to take a number of still pictures in succession!!!!!
It's nothing more than that.. a manual "motor drive" still camera.

And suddenly everyone is talking about using it (perhaps with a few "minor" modifications) to make Hollywood Blockbusters !!!! With apologies to Jimmy Connors... "are you SERIOUS" !!!!

INCREDIBLE?...NO!
FANTASTIC? ...NO!

Come on... GET A GRIP!

[reflex]

Having said that, everything this toy does can be done with a script in Sony's Vegas for example OR from a series of pictures that can be transported back into a movie format.

Umm, yeah. We could simulate Super 8 with an iPhone app, too.

[Lunar07]

If the end result of actual footage shot on film is digital media, what I meant is that during editing of digitally transferred footage in an editor like Vegas you can easily simulate what the Lomo thing can do and have finer control over it. So this is not about simulating super 8 with an app. This is about actual editing of super 8 footage.
I used to shoot 35mm frames with my Nikon F2S which allowed rewinding, AutoB, multiple exposures of frames etc... in addition to using a flash. Then I would incorporate such frames as individual DIBs into the main project. Having come from such an angle, I fail to see the excitement in such a product. Helpful? Of course! Novel? Not really!
In addition, all that glittery marketing stance of 'Gloriously Analogue', and 'Fully Analogue' is too yuppie for my taste. And that is what it is on the long run: directed toward young yuppie consumers.
Again, helpful? Yes! But to cause such excitement with HARDENED FILM MAKERS? SCARY!

Having said that, everything this toy does can be done with a script in Sony's Vegas for example OR from a series of pictures that can be transported back into a movie format.

Umm, yeah. We could simulate Super 8 with an iPhone app, too.

[aj]

Hmm, if the framerate is so slow one might just as well use a halfframe camera. It would give standard ratio too. I have a Fujica halfframe which is springwound and fully functional. I bought it because it looks so smart 60-ies. It should do the trick.

In then Nikon Pro photo magazine I read about a Rolling Stones clip which was partly shot using a modified halfframe F3 with long roll magazine. There has been a special batch of FMs with halfframe too. Using their MD-12 motordrive you could shoot the same framerate. These FM are better kept as collectable One could get you a considerable amount of money.

[granfer]

[quote="Lunar07"]
I used to shoot 35mm frames with my Nikon F2S which allowed rewinding, AutoB, multiple exposures of frames etc... in addition to using a flash. Then I would incorporate such frames as individual DIBs into the main project. Having come from such an angle, I fail to see the excitement in such a product. Helpful? Of course! Novel? Not really!
In addition, all that glittery marketing stance of 'Gloriously Analogue', and 'Fully Analogue' is too yuppie for my taste. And that is what it is on the long run: directed toward young yuppie consumers.
Again, helpful? Yes! But to cause such excitement with HARDENED FILM MAKERS? SCARY!


Do I detect a certain amount of sanity returning?

It seems to me that we are so BLINKERED by the march of modern technology these days that ANY cynical MARKETING PLOYS are interpreted as "new technology", and we do not even bother to look deeper than the surface. Yes, this should prove exciting to 14 and 15 year olds who have never even heard of motion picture film..... but ADULTS?

Frankly, LOMO should be ashamed of themselves for using the word "MOVIE" in the context of this novelty toy.... it's an insult to our intelligence.

The more the discussion goes on, the more it becomes obvious that my first assertion WAS correct...it's a simple still camera with a manual combined "film advance and shutter release"... nothing more.

[Patrick]

There has been a special batch of FMs with halfframe too. Using their MD-12 motordrive you could shoot the same framerate.

I wonder what the image registration is like on these FMs. Are they pin registered?

[MIKI-814]

There has been a special batch of FMs with halfframe too. Using their MD-12 motordrive you could shoot the same framerate.

I wonder what the image registration is like on these FMs. Are they pin registered?

It seems yo me that it has a small lens, plastic for sure