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Blue Audio Visual wrote:You can hear a kazoo towards the end of Trombone Dixie, one of the outtakes from Pet Sounds...
Awesome! Haven't listened to Pet Sounds in a few years--should have thrown it on and reviewed before making that comparison! :wink:

Fred--after looking at your original comment in the context of the thread, I think I might have misinterpreted your intent. You weren't really saying that a film had to have a story to be good, but that a film made in whatever medium would be good if it had a decent story, correct? My mistake, if so.

Still, it doesn't negate the assertion that a lot of film--particularly work most identified with experimental cinema--has nothing to do with narrative, i.e. "story." There are many pure experiments in formalism and abstraction that are just about the medium with no intent by the artist/filmmaker to create a story.

Agreed, as Carl pointed out, that there is no inherent restriction or limitation on the reader/viewer/spectator to maintain this absence of narrative meaning. In fact, in the absence of such cues from the filmmaker, many potential interpretations will certainly flourish. But the artist may have not had such intention--it might just be about the material.

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For those fans of the show "Burn Notice", you can see the difference between film and video. I was aghast at the look of the new episodes now airing. To me, it was obviously video and not the rich 16mm film images that defined the show. Sure enough, someone who knows informed me that it is now shot on a Sony video camera. One could argue that the show looks great and is impressive for a video shoot, or one could argue that the look doesn't compare with the film shot episodes. Take your pick. This may be all off topic for a discussion of S-8mm film, since I shoot DS-8mm and R-8mm for the mere fun of it and to preserve memories. Oh yeah, and also to have something to run through my projectors, maybe the most fun of all...
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David M. Leugers wrote:For those fans of the show "Burn Notice", you can see the difference between film and video. I was aghast at the look of the new episodes now airing. To me, it was obviously video and not the rich 16mm film images that defined the show. Sure enough, someone who knows informed me that it is now shot on a Sony video camera. One could argue that the show looks great and is impressive for a video shoot, or one could argue that the look doesn't compare with the film shot episodes. Take your pick. This may be all off topic for a discussion of S-8mm film, since I shoot DS-8mm and R-8mm for the mere fun of it and to preserve memories. Oh yeah, and also to have something to run through my projectors, maybe the most fun of all...
I was tempted to say that the look of "Burn Noice" was the least of it's problems, but then I must admit I've zoned out on an episode or two, now and then.

For a very long time now the term "video" has been identified with a medium inferior to film, that the word has now come to possess that meaning. By that I mean if something better than film came along it would be quite difficult to call such "video".

So if that is what is meant by "video" (ie. a medium worse than film) then selecting a show like Burn Noice, that now uses "video", must necessarily select a comparison that will be worse than film.

It will be worse by definition.

So what might we call a medium that arrives, that is better than film?

- Digital Film
- Filmless Motion Picture

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etimh wrote: Fred--after looking at your original comment in the context of the thread, I think I might have misinterpreted your intent. You weren't really saying that a film had to have a story to be good, but that a film made in whatever medium would be good if it had a decent story, correct?
Yes, this is what I was saying. :wink:
Still, it doesn't negate the assertion that a lot of film--particularly work most identified with experimental cinema--has nothing to do with narrative, i.e. "story." There are many pure experiments in formalism and abstraction that are just about the medium with no intent by the artist/filmmaker to create a story.
I see.. For the experimental cinema, the medium is very important indeed. But I stll have my personal opinion about all those "experiments" :)

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I was tempted to say that the look of "Burn Noice" was the least of it's problems, but then I must admit I've zoned out on an episode or two, now and then.

For a very long time now the term "video" has been identified with a medium inferior to film, that the word has now come to possess that meaning. By that I mean if something better than film came along it would be quite difficult to call such "video".

So if that is what is meant by "video" (ie. a medium worse than film) then selecting a show like Burn Noice, that now uses "video", must necessarily select a comparison that will be worse than film.

It will be worse by definition.

So what might we call a medium that arrives, that is better than film?

- Digital Film
- Filmless Motion Picture
Video is not film anymore than a vinyl LP is a CD. They both are used for the same purpose, but they have their own separate materials and means to accomplish their results. Video is not by "definition" inferior to film. Video is the electronic recording of images to a storage media (tape, disc etc) while film is the photographic recording of images to an emulsion upon a flexible base. I think if we remove the definition of film = motion picture, and only use the word "film" to describe that material one uses in a photographic camera, less confusion or disagreements might be the result. One can make a movie by shooting it on video or film. What's next? Don't know that we need something different, but if it is better than anything else, bring it on. My comments about "Burn Notice" was to give anyone the opportunity to witness the difference between a show shot on 16mm film versus HD video. I actually am surprised that 16mm beats IMHO the image obtained with the latest and greatest HD video cameras. Just my two cents, your mileage may vary.
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The final nail in the coffin will be the rising cost of silver way before any other factor makes film non existent!
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VideoFred wrote: Good use of DOF is very very important.

Fred.
Yes this is something that I have contemplated many times. I wish there were books out there ( and there might be that I am not aware of ) that deal exclusively with the use of depth of field in film making and how to use it in different story telling scenarios.
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