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so you never make backup copies, you never want to transfer them to computer or media player for watching on the plane or train, or to your apple tv for easy access, and you plan on never ever doing this or anything similar in the future? ok, fair enough, but rest assure you're fairly alone. :-)Will2 wrote:I actually don't have a problem with DRM since I generally buy my DVD's (or rent) anyway
$0.5 and $0.8 respectively (i guess you sloppily thus wrongfully added vat) but in principle correct. it's just a tax like any tax, but imo less "sick" in this case since there's actually a connection between the product and the way the tax money is used, unlike other sales taxes where you just pay into a black hole.Uppsala BildTeknik wrote:We already do that in sweden. We pay $0.63 for each empty DVD-R (or +R) we buy and $1.02 for each empty DVD-RW (or +RW) we buy.
no, the vat is added to the final street price, which is market regulated. it's the manufacturers and resellers who take the hit. besides the vat doesn't go to the copyright fund, it goes into the before mentioned black hole. :-)Uppsala BildTeknik wrote:Yep, I included the vat, since everyone who doesen´t have a company has to pay vat on the empty-DVD-fee. ;)
Whick includes the vat, so people still has to pay vat on/for the copyright-fee.mattias wrote:no, the vat is added to the final street price
No, it doesen´t. But it goes out of the pocket from the buyer, so it still has to be paid for. If there was no copyright-fee to be paid the vat on the final street price would be lower.mattias wrote:besides the vat doesn't go to the copyright fund, it goes into the before mentioned black hole.
Want and having the legal right to do so are very different.mattias wrote:so you never make backup copies, you never want to transfer them to computer or media player for watching on the plane or train, or to your apple tv for easy access, and you plan on never ever doing this or anything similar in the future? ok, fair enough, but rest assure you're fairly alone.Will2 wrote:I actually don't have a problem with DRM since I generally buy my DVD's (or rent) anyway
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nobody's forcing retailers to pass on the fee to the customers any more than the costs for transportation or whatever. the price is set by the market, not how much the product cost to bring there.Uppsala BildTeknik wrote:Whick includes the vat, so people still has to pay vat on/for the copyright-feemattias wrote:no, the vat is added to the final street price
i think you're typically allowed to make backup copies as well as copy/modify it if you have to in order to listen to it. what the industry is hiding behind is the law that forbids breaking the copy protection/encryption, which is an incredibly stupid law since all it means is that people who release their work without copy protection aren't as well protected, while the fair use right of the consumer is being compromised. a law that gives all copyright holders the same level of protection while ensuring extensive fair use rights for consumers would be very nice at this point.Will2 wrote:I DO want to copy these endlessly for my use. But as it stands now, I don't have that right (no matter how much I want it) so I don't generally do it
Swedish retailers are handicapped by the fact that their buy-price must be approaching double that of retailers in other parts of the EU. The $.5 ex VAT tax per DVD is higher than the retail price inc VAT of a DVD here in the UK if you shop around/buy a spindle of 50 etc. Swedish retailers are pretty much forced to pass on the fee, or sell at a loss. Suggesting or implying that the price is purely market led ignores this distortion.mattias wrote:nobody's forcing retailers to pass on the fee to the customers any more than the costs for transportation or whatever. the price is set by the market, not how much the product cost to bring there.
Well I´m not sure if this is the best price, but just to take one as an example I looked at Verbatim DVD-R, 16x, 25-pack. They cost 295:- SEK including vat in a computershop with pretty good prices (not a webshop).Blue Audio Visual wrote:What's the best deal a member of the public can get in Sweden for a spindle of 50 DVD-Rs? Just to satisfy my curiousity...
This is what I was hoping for. That studios would do the right thing and offer it to us without resorting to ripping it.johnnhud wrote:Twentieth Century Fox and Apple today announced iTunes Digital Copy for iTunes, which provides customers who purchase a DVD of a Fox movie title with an additional Digital Copy of the movie.
In the U.S. they have two different kinds of blank CD's and DVD's for sale: "data," and "audio" or "video."Uppsala BildTeknik wrote:Yep, I included the vat, since everyone who doesen´t have a company has to pay vat on the empty-DVD-fee. ;)
I think is it pretty sick since there is no way telling what the empty DVDs will be used for. I shouldn´t be paying a fee for the DVDs I will use for my family vacation films...
You very much DO have the right to make copies or transfer to other media, as long as you have purchased the original copy. There is no law in the U.S. that requires consumers to RE-BUY copyrighted items for their own use.Perhaps it's semantics, but I have the same perspective as others have expressed; I DO want to copy these endlessly for my use. But as it stands now, I don't have that right (no matter how much I want it) so I don't generally do it.
That's not quite the case. The 'Audio' CDRs are typically labelled "For Consumer", and there are plenty of stand-alone HiFi separate CD recorders out there which can only use these. If you put a normal Data CDR into them they won't work.Jim Carlile wrote:In the U.S. they have two different kinds of blank CD's and DVD's for sale: "data," and "audio" or "video."
The "data" ones are about half the price. The reason is that the other ones include a surcharge for a so-called license fee, similar to the blank tape one they used to have for cassettes.
Most people don't know this-- and the discs are interchangeable. You don't need to use the 'audio' blank for audio purposes. Consequently, everyone buys the cheaper ones, unaware of what they are really doing, which is avoiding the surcharge.
nobody's forcing them and they are perfectly free to sell at loss. what they actually do is irrelevant for my point. academic? you bet, but that's the point. :-)Blue Audio Visual wrote:Swedish retailers are pretty much forced to pass on the fee, or sell at a loss. Suggesting or implying that the price is purely market led ignores this distortion.
around 200 sek, which is $30.What's the best deal a member of the public can get in Sweden for a spindle of 50 DVD-Rs? Just to satisfy my curiousity...
