16mm - The Next Step

Post by **Evan Kubota** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 8:18 pm

An Arri S in good mechanical condition with the Schneider primes has great image quality - spending the money to go S16 on such a loud/old camera would not be worth it, IMO.

Post by **Nigel** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:19 am

Spending the 2000+ to make it S16 wouldn't be worth it. If you only had to spend 500 then it would be.

Good Luck

Post by **Evan Kubota** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:28 pm

Did I miss something? Is there any way to convert it for $500? (it would be worth it for that price, I agree)

Post by **Justin Lovell** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 4:18 pm

teadub wrote:
vidwerk wrote: For a example, you can download the latest film I shot with it here.
(PC. right click, save target as.)(131MB)

http://www.vidwerk.ca/mov/1%20Regret.mov
There are some really nice shots in there.

Nice work Vidwerk. Can you drop some information (maybe in a new thread) about your stock chosen and transfer facilities?

Too bad the dialogue was so poor. Overwritten, and too predictable. More subtle lines would have been better suited to the main bad guy. Felt a little like we were being hit over the head with the motives of both parties. (not that you were asking for my opinion, but there it is anyways).

Post by **ropbo** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:12 pm

I know a place in NY that does the S16 upgrade on the Arri S but I think it's a "little bit" expensive. $4750 ...

http://duallcamera.com/services/Repairs_Arri16S-M.shtml

Not worth it, in my opinion.

Post by **Nigel** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:19 pm

DuAll is kind of a rip off on pretty much everything...

Evan, you didn't miss what I was saying at all. Converting the camera isn't worth it unless you can find a conversion on the cheap. Which aren't out there.

Good Luck

Post by **Justin Lovell** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:06 pm

...and then you'll have to consider buying a new set of lenses (unless you're lucky enough and your lenses will cover the s16 frame area...)

Website · Post by **BigBeaner** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:19 pm

I know it's not the same as owning but the next project I'm doing I'm seriously renting the best camera I can afford. For owning, I got bought a K-3 to keep out that itch and to shoot anything MOS or that I don't feel like handcranking.

Too bad the dialogue was so poor. Overwritten, and too predictable. More subtle lines would have been better suited to the main bad guy.

I felt the same way, well done execution but the script was bad or just the actors delivery of the lines was terrible.

Post by **flatwood** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:32 pm

Unless you're shooting for the big screen, super 16 is overkill IMO.

Post by **Will2** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:48 am

flatwood wrote:Unless you're shooting for the big screen, super 16 is overkill IMO.

I need to do tests on standard 16 cropped and super 16 when transfered to HD, but my guess is Super 16 would be a noticable improvement.

One of the many reasons I love film so much is how amazing an HD transfer looks.

Post by **Nigel** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 12:59 am

S16 is worth it if you want the width...

Good Luck

Post by **Evan Kubota** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:59 am

I'm doing I'm seriously renting the best camera I can afford.

Lucky you're near a city. With the way I shoot and where I am based, I'd never be able to rent a camera for my projects... otherwise I'd definitely go that route.

Post by **Nigel** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:10 am

Evan--

No one made you go and become a Gator...That was your own damn fault. That said--There are a lot of camera houses in Florida, I can't see how or why you can't get your hands on whatever you want.

Good Luck

Post by **Evan Kubota** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:38 pm

No one made you go and become a Gator

I hate the team. And I was born here...

Renting in Orlando is a possibility, but again, the way I shoot it would require several separate rentals. (and add in $50 for gas for each round trip) I don't usually have time to shoot uninterrupted for several days. Also, prices in this part of the state are not competitive because the services are spread around. For $600 I think buying a Kinor was a very good decision.

Post by **MovieStuff** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:54 pm

Evan Kubota wrote: For $600 I think buying a Kinor was a very good decision.

I would tend to agree with you, Evan. If you do a lot of shooting on personal, non-profit projects and you can buy a good camera cheap, then there is no comparison to the expense and inconvenience of renting. I agree with Nigel that renting can be a benefit but it depends on the projects and who's paying the bill. For personal stuff shot when-you-have-the-time , renting is insane because the amount of time it would take to go and pick up the equipment often is longer than the amount of time you have to get in the shots for that day. Renting really only makes sense on commercial projects where things are more predictable and someone else is footing the bill or you need access to equipment that is financially impractical to purchase just for one shoot.

Roger