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tlatosmd wrote:If you're looking for original footage shot during WWI or II on S8, it doesn't exist. S8 was invented in 1965, while R8 was in 1932 (so no WWI footage at all).
I know original footage wouldn't be possible, but I was just wondering if anyone had ever transferred these to 8mm before.

I think I may pick up Antlitz des Krieges, or the selected scene version at least. I should get some noise cancelling headphones since my projector is so loud. Wait, does the 810D even have headphone out? Gotta dig that out now.
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I know this thread is a few weeks old now... but found some nice film on Ebay... quite a collection and looks like the price is gonna be high... would love to look through all the film.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW2-WWII-photos-D ... dZViewItem
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mojohey wrote:I know this thread is a few weeks old now... but found some nice film on Ebay... quite a collection and looks like the price is gonna be high... would love to look through all the film.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/WW2-WWII-photos-D ... dZViewItem
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Man, this is great! Not too expensive either. Good show. By the way, jpolzfuss, what country are you in?
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I think he's in Germany (maybe) certainly all the links that are on his post are from Ebay Germany... isn't it interesting then that that is the reply he gets from the page...
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mojohey wrote:I think he's in Germany
100% correct ;)
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jpolzfuss wrote: Unfortunately, access to this particular category or item has been blocked due to legal restrictions in your home country.
Annoying. It's bad enough losing the war, but to top it off we aren't allowed to watch films about our grandparents if we are in Germany. Why can't Germany be more like Japan? The japanese are allowed to remember those who died for their country with honour.

I guess that's the way it goes, you lose the war, you are a conquered people.
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And here we are again, the age-old issue of whether you can be proud about the German soldiers in WWII because it was just like any other war... ;)

Anyway, in practice that's more realistic with WWI. No particular nation responsible for it, and it's all so romantic with the emperor and all, like a mix of the Victorian and the Medieval Age (nostalgia concerning the former being the reason for the hype about the steampunk genre).
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tlatosmd wrote:And here we are again, the age-old issue of whether you can be proud about the German soldiers in WWII because it was just like any other war... ;)
Had we won, though, I'm pretty sure there would be market for a new super-8 camera. I'm thinking bayonet mount...

Of course, for a new super 8 camera to come out, we'd need to consider whether to create a new film cart format. I'm thinking single-8, but 100' carts polyester based, plus a special 400' mag adapter and no autozoom this time, it's a waste of geld. Plus it could come in PL mount for higher end versions, but the filmstock wouldn't need to be "amateurish", and Kodachrome 40 could be brought back, blah blah blah
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there are only loosers in wars: those who lose the peace and those who lose even more.

the main problem with wwii concerning both germany and japan was the awesome war crimes conducted in both cases - they may not be as known in the japan case as in the german case but they were gruesome there as well. this is why the relationship between china and japan is pretty chilly for the time being - due to that the japanese prime minister visits funeral places of former officers read war criminals that conducted these in china.

china see this as a strongly offensive act as if the primo honour the war criminals. touchy.

the same will be the case for germany - it is hard to "honour" those who were not nazis fighting "for" germany without sort of accepting the war crimes.

the germans do "honour" their ordinary soldiers/marines/airmen in very discrete ways though and on soley military basis.

one example is the underground memorial in Laboe/Kiel:
http://www.deutscher-marinebund.de/ehrenmal
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anyway the films available are important historical documentaries about a time we will have to keep in mind to ensure it will never repeat.

abt 10 years ago swedish TV showed a full nazi propaganda film - very long and detailed. it spanned from nazi art to "ratzen bekämpfung" not sure abt the spelling but they showed how they kept the country clean from rats with the cyclone B gas. the "rats" were the jews and the cyclone b was the "tool" they developed for Auswitch.

spookey stuff - especially when we know the historical facit of implementation of all aspects of that stuff.

Partially sideline but i once - abt 1980 S8ed a sort of cemetary near the border bwteen W and E germany. think drove east over the Lüneburger Heide towards Hannover or so and then suddenly a roadsign caught my interest - not knowing exactly what ot was. it was a cemetary/memorial for: "unknown victims of gestapo". lots of identical crosses in granite.

just a short distance from there was the border - the east german pointed thir machine guns at us from thir camuflaged bunker on the other side and the watchtower in the no mans land in the middle. al on s8.

later i visited the bergen belsen consentration camp near hannover. it is sort of a museum today. now, this was a concentration camp not a extermination camp like auschwitz. anyway, the following months after the british got in there in 1945 9000 people died each month even though they were cared for.

All that strikes you is the total feeling of death, death, death, death, death, - made for nothing else and if some do not get a bad feeling by visiting a place like that - id like to meet him.

it is all covered on s8 of course.

auschwitz is a lot worse of course.

regarding wwi all that participating are soon gone abd the war had a different character so it is a bit different. never the less it is considered the war of all wars and was far worse for the soldiers than wwii with the gas an all that.

all a total waste of course.

the wii genosides makes a dufference.

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Arislan wrote:
tlatosmd wrote:And here we are again, the age-old issue of whether you can be proud about the German soldiers in WWII because it was just like any other war... ;)
Had we won, though, I'm pretty sure there would be market for a new super-8 camera. I'm thinking bayonet mount...
Pondered it. European photographica market would have been dominated by IG Farben after the war, with Agfa being a part of them. Would IG Farben have put out a new 8mm format in 1965?

Anyway, all of what Booster said is true. I wouldn't have liked Hitler to win. Still, pondering is fascinating.
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tlatosmd wrote: Anyway, all of what Booster said is true. I wouldn't have liked Hitler to win. Still, pondering is fascinating.
Hell no, he had to go. In "Der Untergang", a very realistic portrayal of our beloved Fuehrer, it was clear that he cracked under the pressure. In other words, by 1939 he was crazy. Very sad. Yet our people still believed in him because they wanted to believe in the "final victory". What they didn't know was that the man in 1945 was a far different man than the one admired by an entire nation in 1933. So yes, I agree he had to go. But National Socialism could have stayed, if they eliminated the racism and antisemitism. I think it would have gone that way if the Fuehrer had been replaced in around 1939, because then people would have understood he had lost his mind. And the worst part of the war would have been avoided (although I would not give back the Sudetenland) ;-)

Ahem, and yes I wonder about seeing Hitlerjugend training films in Super-8. :lol:
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No idea whether you might be serious at all but here we go...
Arislan wrote:What they didn't know was that the man in 1945 was a far different man than the one admired by an entire nation in 1933. So yes, I agree he had to go.
One might reason that Hitler's personality started to change by about 1942/43. Some have argued it to be related to Theodor Morell's phamaceutical medication.

Still, everything he did since 1933 had been laid down in Mein Kampf during the mid-1920s. The Holcaust wasn't an initial part in it, but it was scheduled to 'drive out' Jewish people of Germany, especially to Madagascar, to make up an own 'Jewish state' there, the so-called Madagaskarplan.

In 1939, Hitler, from his point of view, took the Jewish people as 'hostages' to prevent Western democracies, that he thought to be controlled by Jews, to lead war against him. It was not before the fall of 1941 that Hitler decided to get rid of his 'hostages'. German tanks got stuck in Russian mud a few kilometers in front of Moscow because he'd lost two weeks by conquering a Mediterranean island for Mussolini in summer. Stalin and the higher CP party ranks were already sitting in the train out of Moscow by then to bring the beyond the Ural mountains where they'd've been attacked by Japanese troops as negotiated by Hitler with Japan, before Stalin decided to hold the city.

It was then he realized he had failed, Moscow and the Soviet Union could have only be conquered before fall, he had no means of supplying his troops further and had not intended to do so, hence thousands of German soldiers died in Russia because of hunger and exposure. So he thought that if it had to end like that, it should go quickly, talked Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor, and declared war on the USA in return to them declaring war on his Antikomintern ally.

It was then when he stopped to think of the Jewish people as his 'hostages' because he was aware that no other government would have the same attitudes as he did and decided to wipe the Jewish people out of existence completely which he thought to be a blessing for mankind as no-one else would think of doing anything like the Madagaskarplan.

What followed was the infamous Wannsee conference in January 1942, the very first evidence we have for Hitler's intentions to start the Holocaust.
Arislan wrote:But National Socialism could have stayed, if they eliminated the racism and antisemitism.
Odd, that's pretty much what pre-1930 born Germans thought after the war according to surveys, 'National Socialism basically was a positive thing, only executed poorly'.

Take away racism and anti-Semitism? What's left then? Pure nationalism and social-Darwinism, but no Holocaust?
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tlatosmd wrote:No idea whether you might be serious at all but here we go...
I'm serious. My family were not evil or idiots, they wouldn't follow a doctrine that didn't make perfect sense to them. But your reply is too long for me to answer at 4:45AM :lol:
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