Hey Fernando.
Suppose you point out any superlative cinema produced by Spain. I am very curious. Have you ever studied the historical aspect of cinema?
Allow me to paste this passage for your review. I have to be honest and agree. Alot of American cinema IS garbage. But again. What has Spain done that any one gives a crap about!!!! Don't get me started on all of the classics that Hollywood has produced.
1889........
The first commercial transparent roll film, perfected by Eastman and his research chemist, was put on the market. The availability of this flexible film made possible the development of Thomas Edison's motion picture camera in 1891. A new corporation - The Eastman Company - was formed, taking over the assets of the Eastman Dry Plate and Film Company.
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but the idea of competition between countries or even cultures is something from the past, fortunately. There is cinema, free to enjoy for all people in all countries. Wheter it's scandinavian dogma, hollywood action or russian avantgarde. And without any of them, a lot of what we take for granted would not exist. European idependent cinema is anti-hollywood. Funny, but in seeking to be different to commercial productions, it depends on them the same time..
but the idea of competition between countries or even cultures is something from the past, fortunately. There is cinema, free to enjoy for all people in all countries. Wheter it's scandinavian dogma, hollywood action or russian avantgarde. And without any of them, a lot of what we take for granted would not exist. European idependent cinema is anti-hollywood. Funny, but in seeking to be different to commercial productions, it depends on them the same time..
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Competition between countries is just as strong now as ever, I suspect. You should have seen the response in England when we beat Germany 5:1 in Munich at the World Cup Qualifiers, or when we knocked Argentina out of the World Cup second round by beating them 1:0 - it was as though we had won the world cup already. (how you lot ended up in the final, I'll never understand.) It's almost shameful, but we're no less nationalistic than we ever were, and I don't think anywhere's much different. We'd all love to see our own nation's film industry be the envy of the world, and though I love at least some cinema from most nations, I'd be so happy if England returned to its cinematic health of the 1960s. It is ridiculous for a Spaniard to be so dismissive of American cinema - I'd take Paul Thomas Anderson or a dozen like him over Pedro Almodovar anyday of the week. In Luis Bunuel all Spaniards should be very proud.jean wrote:spains gift to cinema: Luis Buñuel
but the idea of competition between countries or even cultures is something from the past, fortunately.
Lucas
Hi lucas,
i'm dutch, by the way, and this year "my" team unfortunately did not even make it to the tournament..
..and while still wondering how germany made it to the final, but I think brazil really deserved the honor of being world champion
But back on topic, somehow I just consider scandinavian cinema as much as "mine" as the english or spanish films. It's a small world! This does absolutely not apply to football, of course
have fun!
i'm dutch, by the way, and this year "my" team unfortunately did not even make it to the tournament..
..and while still wondering how germany made it to the final, but I think brazil really deserved the honor of being world champion
But back on topic, somehow I just consider scandinavian cinema as much as "mine" as the english or spanish films. It's a small world! This does absolutely not apply to football, of course
have fun!
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Yeah, we might be not get into Euro 2004, because we've got Turkey in our group... :?
It's not a war thing, by the way - our distain for Germany and Argentina, I mean. Germany is, perhaps, but with Argentina it's that they have knocked us out of the World cup three times, twice on penalties and once with Maradonna's famous "hand of god" bullshit handball goal. They are the filthiest bunch of cheating animals in football, along with Uraguay (sorry, but it's true). Germany also knocked us out of the semis on penalties recently. At least this year, Brazil deservedly knocked us out in a straight game with some brilliant goals and went on to win the competition.
Anyway, I love Scandinavian cinema, American Cinema, Japanese, Czech, Yugoslavian, German, Argentinian.....even the French (haha) too, and none of it matters to me either - I embrace all nations (except in football) It would be nice to say that competition was a thing of the past, but I think it's here to stay.
Lucas
It's not a war thing, by the way - our distain for Germany and Argentina, I mean. Germany is, perhaps, but with Argentina it's that they have knocked us out of the World cup three times, twice on penalties and once with Maradonna's famous "hand of god" bullshit handball goal. They are the filthiest bunch of cheating animals in football, along with Uraguay (sorry, but it's true). Germany also knocked us out of the semis on penalties recently. At least this year, Brazil deservedly knocked us out in a straight game with some brilliant goals and went on to win the competition.
Anyway, I love Scandinavian cinema, American Cinema, Japanese, Czech, Yugoslavian, German, Argentinian.....even the French (haha) too, and none of it matters to me either - I embrace all nations (except in football) It would be nice to say that competition was a thing of the past, but I think it's here to stay.
Lucas
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Personally usually i dont talk about cinema, but i'll let you know something, i don't like spanish cinema, or chinese or russian or any other that is made by someone that works for a country, a nation or industry, by the way the independent cinema is just another industry, i don't even like the designation author's cinema, i think that it is a "poor old method" to fight inustrial cinema. Just to terminate my intervention, i like to film better than to talk about cinema, and i will also like anyone that films more and talks less. Thanks.
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"Cheating animals"
Yeah, "Hand of God" is bullshit,Lucas Lightfeat wrote:but with Argentina it's that they have knocked us out of the World cup three times, twice on penalties and once with Maradonna's famous "hand of god" bullshit handball goal. They are the filthiest bunch of cheating animals in football, along with Uraguay (sorry, but it's true). Lucas
But "They are the filthiest bunch of cheating animals in football, along with Uraguay (sorry, but it's true)"
"The filthiest bunch of cheatnig animals"?
"Sorry, but it's true"?
How I must to interpret these phrases, Lucas :?:
Carlos.
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Hey Carlos, I knew how much the world cup meant to Argentina, particularly as it came at a time of severe economic crisis in your country, and I was originally genuinely supportive of Argentina as a nation in the world cup, wanting you to proceed if only to lift the peoples' spirits, but after I experienced the footballers' behaviour and attitude, I no longer cared, and wanted us to beat you and knock you out of the competition more than anything.
My experience is that the national Argentinan football team are so desperate to win that they will stop at nothing to achieve a win, even if it means cheating.
In the game between England and Argentina when David Becham was sent off, leading to us getting kicked out on penalties, he was followed around the whole game by Simeone, being tormented, waiting for him to react. Beckham did react, and stupidly, even though it was Simeone who should have been sent off.
In this latest world cup, the English players reported that they had been spat on by Argentinian players and that the Argentinians were playing a whole array of psychological games to try to distract our players during free kicks etc. I'm afraid that Argentina are famous for it, and the most disliked by English players. Perhaps it is considered just part of the game in Argentina, or perhaps the stakes of a World Cup are just so unbelievably high that for the World Cup, anything goes.
Simeone and Batistuta are scumbags in many English footie fans' opinion, and that is why England were even more determined we must not lose that game than Argentina - it was serious here - that and the fact that Argentina virtually thought it was a done deal that they would win. Ha! The arogance.
I did feel great sympathy afterwards for the Argentinian people, and I know how much that meant to you all, but it was a glorious day to finally beat you and knock you out for a change - the first time since 1966, when we won the competition.
Other than that, I regret the colourful language I used to express this feeling of distain for Argentinian footballers. I hope you understand that I was talking only about your football team, who are in fact extraordinarily gifted. I apologise for any misunderstanding. - "filthy" is a fairly standard prefix to "cheat" in English, though it does sound a bit strong, and to describe Simeone and Batistuta et al as "animals" is perhaps unfair but hey, this is football, where I get a bit worked up sometimes, huh?
A World cup penalty knockout in France after we were taken down to ten and the hand of god makes it a very big deal to us. I really am sorry to be abusive - I can hear how all this might sound to you, but I'm not a xenophobe or racist, I just can't stand cheating and bad sportsmanship. You may see things differently, and I apologise if I've offended you, which I obviously have. Ultimately I do realise how ridiculous and insignificant this football discussion is.
It's purely a football thing, I promise
Lucas
My experience is that the national Argentinan football team are so desperate to win that they will stop at nothing to achieve a win, even if it means cheating.
In the game between England and Argentina when David Becham was sent off, leading to us getting kicked out on penalties, he was followed around the whole game by Simeone, being tormented, waiting for him to react. Beckham did react, and stupidly, even though it was Simeone who should have been sent off.
In this latest world cup, the English players reported that they had been spat on by Argentinian players and that the Argentinians were playing a whole array of psychological games to try to distract our players during free kicks etc. I'm afraid that Argentina are famous for it, and the most disliked by English players. Perhaps it is considered just part of the game in Argentina, or perhaps the stakes of a World Cup are just so unbelievably high that for the World Cup, anything goes.
Simeone and Batistuta are scumbags in many English footie fans' opinion, and that is why England were even more determined we must not lose that game than Argentina - it was serious here - that and the fact that Argentina virtually thought it was a done deal that they would win. Ha! The arogance.
I did feel great sympathy afterwards for the Argentinian people, and I know how much that meant to you all, but it was a glorious day to finally beat you and knock you out for a change - the first time since 1966, when we won the competition.
Other than that, I regret the colourful language I used to express this feeling of distain for Argentinian footballers. I hope you understand that I was talking only about your football team, who are in fact extraordinarily gifted. I apologise for any misunderstanding. - "filthy" is a fairly standard prefix to "cheat" in English, though it does sound a bit strong, and to describe Simeone and Batistuta et al as "animals" is perhaps unfair but hey, this is football, where I get a bit worked up sometimes, huh?
A World cup penalty knockout in France after we were taken down to ten and the hand of god makes it a very big deal to us. I really am sorry to be abusive - I can hear how all this might sound to you, but I'm not a xenophobe or racist, I just can't stand cheating and bad sportsmanship. You may see things differently, and I apologise if I've offended you, which I obviously have. Ultimately I do realise how ridiculous and insignificant this football discussion is.
It's purely a football thing, I promise
Lucas
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I sure would love to....interestingly, they always seem to show the classic highlights in fake super8 - manipulated video - it really does look like they're aiming at a nieve Super8 look: saturated colours, particularly the reds, grain, flicker, scratches, high contrast etc.
I would love to see some World Cup Super8 footage - I wonder if anyone on this forum has any? England 1966 particularly, of course
Lucas
I would love to see some World Cup Super8 footage - I wonder if anyone on this forum has any? England 1966 particularly, of course
Lucas