What other forums do you participate in?

[Lunar07]

If anything, the Ektachrome 64 not yet on the shelves is because of the slow beta testing going on by us filmmakers, not anthing Mr. Pytlak had or hasn't done.

I do not remember anyone blaming John here.
Anyway.............
Yeah Alex, if I remember correctly you were one of the first ones to get your E64T carts for testing. You the natural born leader you! hehehehehe I wonder what happened to those before you drop your tow line into issuing your moral magna cartas here loooooooooooool
At least we know ONE who is responsible for the delay - YOU Alex! :-D

[Alex]

I put a bit of time and energy into getting a great location to shoot my Ektachrome 64, but I didn't desire to spend $150.00 on the location fee that was required, (negotiated down from over a thousand dollars). I also completely re-did my editing studio over the past month and that took a toll on lost work time that I then had to make up.

One Super-8 shoot I did do resulted in dire conseqences on two editing jobs that I barely got done in time as a result. I have a super-8 shoot scheduled tomorrow but I am risking not getting another job done on time if I do the shoot.

I'm also doing the Small Format Magazine distribution, which I had planned on combining with my Super-8 shooting so that I could get more bang for my gasoline buck, but the magazines just arrived yesterday.

Are you playing a character out of the movie Animal Farm? The one that tries to pin all the blame on one other member of the farm?

[al77]

filmshooting.com & akai S5/6000 sampler users forum
+ regularly visit nufc.com ...maybe one day..

[John_Pytlak]

Could this be why Kodak can't get 64t into the shops, because all their staff are surfing the Net.

First, I work in Kodak Customer Technical Services, not marketing or manufacturing, so I have little to do with the introduction schedules of new films. Kodak supports my efforts to help customers wherever they are, and the Internet user forums are where many meet to discuss filmmaking.

Second, I can see that you and a few others here don't seem to appreciate that I often participate here ON MY OWN TIME, on evenings and weekends.

Most of my postings try to help filmmakers get the best quality from Kodak products, which is what "customer technical service" is all about. When I "speak the Kodak line", it is to explain the rationale for what are sometimes unpopular (but necessary) business decisions that I have little influence over, other than to convey your heartfelt feelings to those making those tough decisions.

If you don't appreciate my technical help, maybe you should ask your friends at other film manufacturers (who decided long ago not to even offer Super-8 products), and whom I don't see supporting filmmakers very much on any forum. If you don't appreciate my advocacy of your viewpoints to Kodak's decision makers, then maybe I've been wasting my time.

Goodbye.

[al77]

Could this be why Kodak can't get 64t into the shops, because all their staff are surfing the Net.

First, I work in Kodak Customer Technical Services, not marketing or manufacturing, so I have little to do with the introduction schedules of new films. Kodak supports my efforts to help customers wherever they are, and the Internet user forums are where many meet to discuss filmmaking.

Second, I can see that you and a few others here don't seem to appreciate that I often participate here ON MY OWN TIME, on evenings and weekends.

Most of my postings try to help filmmakers get the best quality from Kodak products, which is what "customer technical service" is all about. When I "speak the Kodak line", it is to explain the rationale for what are sometimes unpopular (but necessary) business decisions that I have little influence over, other than to convey your heartfelt feelings to those making those tough decisions.

If you don't appreciate my technical help, maybe you should ask your friends at other film manufacturers (who decided long ago not to even offer Super-8 products), and whom I don't see supporting filmmakers very much on any forum. If you don't appreciate my advocacy of your viewpoints to Kodak's decision makers, then maybe I've been wasting my time.

Goodbye.

hmm, had a sense of humour bypass?

[reflex]

hmm, had a sense of humour bypass?

How about we all agree to let this thread die quietly?

It reminds me of my first job at a restaurant, where one of the chefs used to randomly throw knives at walls. You never knew when some sharpened steel was about to whistle by your nose.

[Alex]

Could this be why Kodak can't get 64t into the shops, because all their staff are surfing the Net.

First, I work in Kodak Customer Technical Services, not marketing or manufacturing, so I have little to do with the introduction schedules of new films. Kodak supports my efforts to help customers wherever they are, and the Internet user forums are where many meet to discuss filmmaking.

John, you probably didn't get past Hassan's comment to see that myself and Reflex Films had your back.

Second, I can see that you and a few others here don't seem to appreciate that I often participate here ON MY OWN TIME, on evenings and weekends.

Few others? This is the first time I can recall someone making a "joke" your way that came off as a personal attack. If there have been others I don't recall them.

Most of my postings try to help filmmakers get the best quality from Kodak products, which is what "customer technical service" is all about. When I "speak the Kodak line", it is to explain the rationale for what are sometimes unpopular (but necessary) business decisions that I have little influence over, other than to convey your heartfelt feelings to those making those tough decisions.

If you don't appreciate my technical help, maybe you should ask your friends at other film manufacturers (who decided long ago not to even offer Super-8 products), and whom I don't see supporting filmmakers very much on any forum. If you don't appreciate my advocacy of your viewpoints to Kodak's decision makers, then maybe I've been wasting my time.

Goodbye.

Andreas, PLEASE do not lock this thread. I would vote for ALL posts on this thread that didn't supply a link to another forum be deleted by you. (including this post as well).

No it's not censorshiip, it's just good taste and the right thing to do. I don't want to see Hassan's very unfunny comment live on in a locked thread, nor should Mr. Pytlak even have to respond to such a comment, and it DOES undermine Mr. Pytlak's time spent on this forum if Hassan's comment remains, even in a locked thread.

[MovieStuff]

If you don't appreciate my advocacy of your viewpoints to Kodak's decision makers, then maybe I've been wasting my time.

If Kodak's decision makers do nothing proactive for "non-professional" super 8 shooters regardless of your advocacy, then perhaps you have, but that's not our fault. What are we supposed to appreciate? That you made an appearance to tell us how unreasonable we are to expect realiability in Kodak's super 8 line?

Goodbye.

That's your choice, John. But, respectfully, the questions regarding the quality and stability of the Kodak super 8 product will still be here, long after you leave. Your intentions are not in question but, rather, the intentions of a corporation that made its fortune on the "greater public" but now choose to ignore them. As such, what has your presence here -voluntary it may be- really changed? Considering that the company you represent would like us to give them money for their product, I think that is a reasonable question.

Roger

[Super-Swede]

http://www.led-zeppelin.com/forums/

[reflex]

Your intentions are not in question but, rather, the intentions of a corporation that made its fortune on the "greater public" but now choose to ignore them.

Time for some perspective. Kodak is a huge company, and sales of Super 8 film are a miniscule part of their operations.

To compare: Let's say that MovieStuff does $1,000,000 of business per year. Now lets say Moviestuff has a little niche product that only brings in $135/year. How much attention will that little product get? Probably not much.

Yet this is what Super 8 is worth (financially) to Kodak. The other $999,865 of each million dollars comes from other products. We're no longer the "greater public." That era peaked 25 years ago.

[Alex]

If you don't appreciate my advocacy of your viewpoints to Kodak's decision makers, then maybe I've been wasting my time.

If Kodak's decision makers do nothing proactive for "non-professional" super 8 shooters regardless of your advocacy, then perhaps you have, but that's not our fault. What are we supposed to appreciate? That you made an appearance to tell us how unreasonable we are to expect realiability in Kodak's super 8 line?

Roger

There is the professional side, and there is the consumer side to Super-8. If Mr. Pytlak primarily addresses the professional side, that is much much better than nothing.

Kodak's primary strategy, in my opinion, is to infuse the Super-8 processing situation with new life by offering film stocks that allow same day processing. This will allow Smaller Super-8 labs to inherit the business that will be lost by the closing of the Switzerland location. In addition, E-6 processing can be developed by the do it yourselfer/consumer side as well.

Hassan's "joke" was a swipe at Mr. Pytlak's previous contributions to this forum and any further justification of the "joke" will only prove there are far too many ungrateful sourpusses on this forum.

[MovieStuff]

Your intentions are not in question but, rather, the intentions of a corporation that made its fortune on the "greater public" but now choose to ignore them.

Time for some perspective. Kodak is a huge company, and sales of Super 8 film are a miniscule part of their operations......

Not really the point. Whether we buy one cart or 10,000 carts, the quality and realiability of those carts should be the same, yes? What is the value of John's advocacy if Kodak chooses to ignore our complaints? As such, why should how much we appreciate John's presence here suddenly be an issue? It was never an issue for me. I assumed John was here because he wanted to be here, not because he wanted us to appreciate his advocacy to a company that blatantly admits it doesn't share our concerns.

Roger

[Lunar07]

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Are you playing a character out of the movie Animal Farm? The one that tries to pin all the blame on one other member of the farm?

All your efforts are appreciated but please keep me out of this game. I am not blaming anyone for anything - I just had a misunderstanding over what Reflex typed by way of 'inane' questions. But one thing for sure, and this is not directed at you, if Kodak sends me couple of E64T carts to test and when I am busy 'theorizing' aspects of Super8 to death, one would think that I'll take my time to shoot the test carts. If I do not, I would feel like a complete hypocrit. Then after all this I come here and tell Hassan that his comment was unnecessary. Issue is that Hassan cares more about the release date of E64T than you do! His past posts indicates that strongly. I mean what is more important, the unnecessary silly joke of Hassan who is WAITING for the release date of E64T and who would have tested it for Kodak, or someone who jumps on the theoretical band wagon of what is wrong and right but does not have the time to test E64T. As a filmmaker, who is more important to me?
Now, Alex, what novel plot would that fit in your mind?

Hassan's "joke" was a swipe at Mr. Pytlak's previous contributions to this forum and any further justification of the "joke" will only prove there are far too many ungrateful sourpusses on this forum.

Give me a break! There was no swipe - it was a joke! Get it! A joke! Now, go and shoot the E64T test carts Alex. You are holding the release date of the stock :-D

[Alex]

Lunar, there have been a couple of topic posts that pointed out how easily Ektachrome 64 cartridges could be had. It was Mr. Pytlak's himself who told us where to send our requests to for the Ektachrome 64.

[hassan]

Yes, it was a joke, but some seem to find it unfunny. As far as I'm concerned John P always has an 'official' Kodak signature on his posts and as such I am entitled to think that he is then representing Kodak when posting on this board, and as such should expect criticism. I feel just a little pissed that he has said that 64t is delayed because 'we' haven't tested and returned results quickly enough. From previous threads, it's apparent that very few people have been offered film to test. Where is the offer from Kodak or John P to ask for a cart of film to test? Alex, as distributor of SmallFormat you would by now have read the article about super 8 and how Kodak tested 300 000 cartdridges prior to release - all I would have liked to see was a proper test and evaluation done before K40 was axed and the release date of 64t adhered to.