K40 pinhole camera test

Post by **Angus** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:46 am

Very interesting and cool results.

Don't watch it while you're on acid!

Post by **etimh** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:14 pm

Angus wrote:Don't watch it while you're on acid!

Why not?

Had a party about a year ago where eight participants dropped acid and watched the "by Brakahage" DVD on a big screen (a couple of monitors helped us change the discs!

).

No negative spirals, a couple of serious introspective journeys, but mostly LOTS of superficial fun. Everyone should give it a roll.

Don't believe the hype--just say no to the illegal war on drugs.

Tim

Post by **Lunar07** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:34 pm

The more you 'talk' the more it is becoming clear that you are a loser wannabe 'lefty.' Where 'Progressiveness' is merely a luxury. Many can go on introspective journeys without giving anything a roll. There is a big difference between flighty nonsense and true reflection. You either do not know the difference, or incapable of performing the latter.
Amazing, but you do remind me of young spoiled brats who in their attempts to be 'progressive' end up losing any trace of empathy.

etimh wrote:
Angus wrote:Don't watch it while you're on acid!
Why not?

Had a party about a year ago where eight participants dropped acid and watched the "by Brakahage" DVD on a big screen (a couple of monitors helped us change the discs! ).

No negative spirals, a couple of serious introspective journeys, but mostly LOTS of superficial fun. Everyone should give it a roll.

Don't believe the hype--just say no to the illegal war on drugs.

Tim

Post by **timdrage** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:53 pm

Uh-oh... here comes the Off Topic...

To re-rail;,... I'll some time try shooting some registered pinhole stuff by simply removing a lens from my Bolex B8 and taping a pinhole over there... should work OK tho I hypothisise will basically just produce a very vague and fuzzy image!

... hopefully will look pretty mysterious, tho won't have the total craziness of the unregistered stuff.

The cool thing about pinhole photographs is that they're effectively infinite depth of field, ie everything is equally in focus (or more likely, equally blurry!

The smaller the pinhole the sharper the image... I love the extremely misty and indistinct look of some very tiny pinhole photos I've done in the past, so I think the Std-8 might look pretty nice! Just hope the slowest speed is slow enough to expose tho!?

Going to build a better cartridge hand-crank and shoot some more S8 craziness soon!

Post by **etimh** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:18 pm

Lunar07 wrote:The more you 'talk' the more it is becoming clear that you are a loser wannabe 'lefty.' Where 'Progressiveness' is merely a luxury. Many can go on introspective journeys without giving anything a roll. There is a big difference between flighty nonsense and true reflection. You either do not know the difference, or incapable of performing the latter.
Amazing, but you do remind me of young spoiled brats who in their attempts to be 'progressive' end up losing any trace of empathy.

Well, that's cool, you're entitled to your opinion. But why the "loser" jab? I can't imagine that you can make such claims about me from the limited amount of evidence in my posts to this board. Politics, both personal and social, are often times extremely complicated and require a bit of historical context, personal involvement, and justifiable evidence of conduct. I don't think you have any insight to any of these important components of my politics, do you?

I've found it actually quite disturbing that I'M the one that is pegged as the liberal/progressive or whatever on this board. While I certainly believe in the values of social justice and am a passionate defender of civil liberties, I am far from the textbook case of a bleeding-heart "lefty." If forced on the issue, I would describe my politics as far more situationist or existential libertarian. But examined and reflective, nonetheless.

I try to live my life with a healthy balance of work, play, social activism, and creative art-making, while constantly striving to cause the least suffering possible. When accosted or threatened I will defend myself and those less fortunate with extreme prejudice. This is my life, no more no less. You can label my politics anything you want that serves your purpose, but I don't think I deserve to be called a "loser."

I was simply responding in fun to Angus' previous comment in this thread, I didn't want to start any trouble with anyone. But, as you've proven once again Lunar07, around here, trouble always seems to find me. Hmmmm.

Take care man,

Tim

Post by **etimh** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:21 pm

timdrage wrote:Uh-oh... here comes the Off Topic...

lol :lol:

Hey, I can't take that kind of abuse lying down, now can I?

Guaranteed, I'm back "On-Topic."

Tim

Post by **focusmatic** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:23 pm

will we be able to see pictures of your cartridge hand-crank???

Post by **Lunar07** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:21 pm

timdrage wrote: To re-rail;,... I'll some time try shooting some registered pinhole stuff by simply removing a lens from my Bolex B8 and taping a pinhole over there... should work OK tho I hypothisise will basically just produce a very vague and fuzzy image! ... hopefully will look pretty mysterious, tho won't have the total craziness of the unregistered stuff.

Problem is that with the shutter opening and closing with each frame, you may not get any image at all. You have to remove the shutter altogether off the B8 and build a basic shutter into the pinhole device where you can open it and close it. Like that, the frame can get enough time exposure, and you will not lose registration.

Post by **reedsturtevant** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:25 pm

Lunar07 wrote:You have to remove the shutter altogether off the B8 and build a basic shutter into the pinhole device where you can open it and close it. Like that, the frame can get enough time exposure, and you will not lose registration.

And maybe no shutter at all is OK? The frame advance is quick enough that you may not see streaks...

Post by **Lunar07** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:42 pm

reedsturtevant wrote:
Lunar07 wrote:You have to remove the shutter altogether off the B8 and build a basic shutter into the pinhole device where you can open it and close it. Like that, the frame can get enough time exposure, and you will not lose registration.
And maybe no shutter at all is OK? The frame advance is quick enough that you may not see streaks...

You maybe right. A manual shutter built into the pinhole device may not be needed in this case. But definitely, one has to remove the shutter on the B8 or use an H-8 which allows for time exposure. One has also to experiment with the time needed for a 'proper' exposure of a frame. Equations relating aperture and shutter speed which ensure proper exposure fail with pinholes. Reason is that film exhibits random behaviour when a long time exposure is needed.

Post by **mattias** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:22 pm

Lunar07 wrote:Many can go on introspective journeys without giving anything a roll. There is a big difference between flighty nonsense and true reflection.

drugs are used in psychiatry all the time to get to "real" places in the mind. are you suggesting that legal alternatives like meditation and even dreaming are nonsense too? in either case who cares whether an introspective journey is true or not? recreational drugs are used for recreation.

/matt

Post by **tlatosmd** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:02 am

mattias wrote:
Lunar07 wrote:Many can go on introspective journeys without giving anything a roll. There is a big difference between flighty nonsense and true reflection.
drugs are used in psychiatry all the time to get to "real" places in the mind. are you suggesting that legal alternatives like meditation and even dreaming are nonsense too? in either case who cares whether an introspective journey is true or not? recreational drugs are used for recreation.

/matt

Varied foods can give you varied vitamines, even kill you. Varied social activities can give you varied acquintances, even kill you. Varied drugs can give you varied insights and capabilities, even kill you.

In short, know what you're doing before you do it.

Post by **timdrage** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:01 am

divx AVI clips, thanks very much to tlatosmd for putting these together!!!:

small version - 80x60 - 28k
http://www.cultivatetwiddle.com/filmsho ... ation1.avi

large version - 320 x 240 - 268k
http://www.cultivatetwiddle.com/filmsho ... ation2.avi

Post by **timdrage** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:20 am

will we be able to see pictures of your cartridge hand-crank???

I have a really bad photo of the original setup if I can find it..... but really it's just a felt tip pen barrel sticking out the side of a super-8 cartridge!!

But yeah, will document properly and post here further experiments for sure!

Post by **Lunar07** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:27 am

mattias wrote:
Lunar07 wrote:Many can go on introspective journeys without giving anything a roll. There is a big difference between flighty nonsense and true reflection.
drugs are used in psychiatry all the time to get to "real" places in the mind. are you suggesting that legal alternatives like meditation and even dreaming are nonsense too? in either case who cares whether an introspective journey is true or not? recreational drugs are used for recreation.

/matt

But I am not talking about recreation. I am talking about the 'introspective journeys' mentioned by etimh. My intention was not to get into a philosphical discussion of what constitutes reality. But about how 'introspective journeys' is getting to be a cheap institution practiced by 'progressive' wannabees who lack empathy. In this sense an introspective journey is an excercise of futile luxury in a spoiled society. Ever heard of the new 'new agers' who think that buddhism is to read a book and throw spiritual nonsense at you and talk to you of the bold new spiritual society while they write a check for their recreational drugs? It is a strange place when introspective journeys are sold by the ounce.