Yes, Kodak is giving out 64t if you ask!

Post by **Sparky** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:41 am

Well thats the risk they take. They just have to hope that enough will see thats its in their own interest to complete the deal- which I do.

Mark

Post by **Sparky** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:03 am

Kent wrote:

Hey Sparky, now that you can project the 64T again, does it seem as blue-tinted as the transfer?

I didn't think the projected E64 had a blue caste- its a shame I didn't project before posting those stills- I think it was those rather than your transfer that gave it a bad name. Sure its bluer balanced than the K40 which seems browner but it looks fine projected. Still would be interested in seeing footage with the recommended filter tho. The boat scene does look quite blue but I don't know why.

Mark

Post by **T-Scan** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:08 am

Well thats the risk they take.

What risk? We're the ones that have to wait untill Oct now.

Post by **Sparky** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 1:19 am

We're the ones that have to wait untill Oct now

What, you think thats because questionaires weren't filled in? Perhaps its because of those that were (sensi)?

Mark

Post by **tlatosmd** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 5:28 am

Kent, I think 'color timing' is another word for 'color correcting'. As much as I know, they call it 'color timing' in Hollywood when determining a white balance after exposure/processing.

Post by **John_Pytlak** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:57 pm

timdrage wrote:
Professional filmmakers evaluating new 16mm and 35mm films from Kodak have a much better rate of response.
Uh, maybe that's because they are... professional!

Super-8 enthusiasts may or may not be pro filmmakers... if it's more of a hobby then they're not neccessarily going to be able to get it shot, telecine'd etc so soon as someone who's shooting 16mm every day... Don't be too harsh on people!

Like it or not, Kodak continues to make Super-8 films to support its PROFESSIONAL motion-picture business. It's for those who use it in professional production to achieve a Super-8 "look", and for those student film programs that use it as a low cost first introduction to traditional filmmaking. Super-8 "enthusiasts" benefit, but the business case rests on supporting professional filmmaking.

Post by **timdrage** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:30 pm

Was there a time limit/deadline specified for the questionaire?

All I'm saying is don't be too outraged/surprised if the avarage super-8 user isn't as prompt at volenterily doing beta testing for Kodak as the avarage 35mm-shooter would be!

I'm not trying to argue, just suggesting that it's a bit harsh to talk of people not 'bothering' to return the form; it seems from reading this forum that even the most enthusiastic testers are still in the process of shooting, processing and telecineing their test carts and fully intend to give the feedback expected of them when they're done...

Post by **Stevie** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:41 pm

John_Pytlak wrote:
Like it or not, Kodak continues to make Super-8 films to support its PROFESSIONAL motion-picture business. It's for those who use it in professional production to achieve a Super-8 "look", and for those student film programs that use it as a low cost first introduction to traditional filmmaking. Super-8 "enthusiasts" benefit, but the business case rests on supporting professional filmmaking.

Well no I don't like it.
As an ENTHUSIAST I bought Kodachrome because it WAS Super 8 not to get the "look" of Super 8. I'm not getting much benefit at the moment waiting for the replacement reversal stock to come out, I have no film to shoot and project, I'm not interested in the negative stocks as I am only an "enthusiast".
To be quite frank I've tired of all this and the hamfisted way Kodak have handled the demise of Kodachrome and a replacement.
So, the cine equipment goes in the display cabinet and out comes the video camera.......

Post by **John_Pytlak** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:30 pm

I don't like it either, but frankly, sales volumes to "enthusiasts" are not sufficient to maintain the Super-8 format. The business case is currently justified by supporting professional filmmaking.

Post by **ccortez** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 3:36 pm

Stevie wrote:I'm not getting much benefit at the moment waiting for the replacement reversal stock to come out, I have no film to shoot and project,

Call Kodak. There's still K40 available, and most likely will be until the 64T is released.

Or... you can just keep complaining about Kodak as if they wronged you somehow and go shoot video.

Your choice. Either way, you won't make Kodak's day or hurt their feelings. They're just a business trying to make money and survive the decade. They're not Super-8 Haters who want to take your camera away.

Post by **MovieStuff** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:03 pm

John_Pytlak wrote:I don't like it either, but frankly, sales volumes to "enthusiasts" are not sufficient to maintain the Super-8 format. The business case is currently justified by supporting professional filmmaking.

Well that certainly explains the drop in quality for super 8. "Professionals" shooting super 8 for "effect" in music videos, etc, don't really care if the image is particularly grainy or jumpy. In fact, it seems they go out of their way to make super 8 look as bad as it can because they think that is what a "home movie" is supposed to look like. Amazing.

And Kodak wonders why more beginning film makers go straight to video....and stay there. :roll:

Roger

Post by **pippin** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:09 pm

Are Kodak supporting professional filmmaking in the realm of Super 8 when they discontinue the core film stock while still testing its replacement?
Most professionals like continuity.

Post by **mattias** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 4:12 pm

Stevie wrote:As an ENTHUSIAST I bought Kodachrome because it WAS Super 8 not to get the "look" of Super 8. I'm not getting much benefit at the moment waiting for the replacement reversal stock to come out

what exactly does this have to do with beta testing a new stock? neither enthusiasts nor professionals have access to the stock now but both will be able to buy as much as they want when it comes out. there's no difference whatsoever.

/matt